RE: Family brewers concerned over beer tie plans

Robert the argument that "FBs value their name and thus tend to work with their tenants. It is not in their interests to do otherwise." is perfectly valid.

However the part about it not being in their interests to otherwise is exactly the same argument the pubcos have used over the years and it has taken this long to get others to notice that this simply is not the case.

Whilst not wanting to tarnish the FBs with the same view as that of the pubcos I would have thought a market study would vindicate fully the FBs who have been acting fairly which i hope follows your thoughts.

RE: Family brewers concerned over beer tie plans

Robert - I don't think we should be making excuses for the family brewers, it's an awful business model and it was their choice to copy the pubcos. You make choices and stand or fall by the choices you make. Sometimes the choices are the right ones, sometimes not.

The brewers always had a choice as to whether or not they secure the right tenant, charge a sustainable rent or ask a fair amount for the beer. Most didn't and those companies should suffer the consequences.It was always a simple question - do we exploit vulnerable, ill-informed and ill resourced people or not? The supply tied model has been badly abused by pubco are family brewer alike - there are of course some good landlords that rightly placed the emphasis and respect on the most important people involved - the publicans and their customers. Those companies should have nothing to fear.

RE: Family brewers concerned over beer tie plans

Karl, You really don't understand this market as much as you like to pretend. Ask any global brewer or market expert what they regard to be the most competitive beer market in the world and they will say the UK. That's why we have some of the cheapest on and off trade beer prices of any developed market in the world.

RE: Family brewers concerned over beer tie plans

It's a free world and an open forum. You just don't like hearing contrary views to your own. Trying to stifle debate just shows your authoritarian tendencies. All dissent must be stamped out. If you compare the price of a beer in London pub with a bar in Madrid, Paris and Rome, you'll find I'm right.

RE: Family brewers concerned over beer tie plans

James, leave this forum , you are not welcome.