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Robert writes " Freedom to Choose is not a pro-smoking group "  

But they do want to see smoking allowed in pubs!     That will never happen so these 'like-minded' folk would be better off saving their time, effort, webspace and other people's money.

Albert would like to wish a Merry Christmas to all the posters on this site, and he does mean all, who together combine to make this a fascinating place to visit!

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Albert - Please just answer one SIMPLE question. Why shouldn't publicans,  patrons and employees choose where to socialise and work? Why is it that this question is constantly avoided by the Anti-Smokers? (Sorry tht's 2 questions actaully). I have asked this on countless occasions on numerous sites but it is very weird how the Antis can pick up a spelling mistake  and write reams about checking a thesuarus, but totally miss the questions aimed at them.

I am convinced that left well alone by Ash etal, venues would have evolved their own policies and customers would have followed their preferences. Indeed, our local pub is a large horse-shoe shaped bar where smoking has always been permitted. Over recent months the clientele have basically sorted out their preferred areas - they have not been aksed to move to either side and their are no signs anywhere indicating "smokers to the left" and "non-smokers to the right" - but this is what has happened. There are plenty of non smokers who stay with their smoking pals and vice-versa. There is no doubt in my mind that the advertising of smoking restrictions over recent years has had a good effect. I for one am more aware that others do not like the smell of smoke and I would never light up and willingly upset anyone at all and I think that the message has been sinking in for a long time now.

As far as Alberts comment regarding wasting people's money. - Firstly if people thought that would fritter their cash on a whim then I do not see how we have raised the money we already have - they simply would not have donated in the first place. Secondly - we have always stated that if we do not raise enough funds to take the matter to Judicial Review, we would donate everything we have to a charity elected by our members. Today, for example, I have received a very hefty donation from a publican who as far as I am aware, is not a member of F2C. It is probably due to this article that he has sent the money to us - of his

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RE: Smoke group pledges to fight on

Loraine, what do you mean when you ask  " Why shouldn't publicans,  patrons and employees choose where to socialise and work ?"

Anyone can choose where to socialise and work.   What has that do with anything? 

Of course, if you mean how can we socialise and work in a smoky, unhealthy environment after 1st July, then here is a tiny sample:

Become a home-help in a smokers home.   

Take up chimney sweeping but make it a family business by bringing the kids along (they fit more easily).  

Try potholing on Mount Etna as a social diversion.

Choice?  Of course there's choice.   Mind you, one has to be raving bonkers to want such a choice!

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RE: Smoke group pledges to fight on

I think this is a fitting end to 2006, I would encourage all those who seek the truth,  who have a sense of morality and integrity to open and read this link. It is from Professor Michael Siegel who has spent most of his working life trying to educate smokers to give up and has been a professional witness in numerous cases involving the harm of smoking. Reading his commentary I detect a personal despair, not about his lifes work but at the way his peers now treat him because he will not be party to the lies now being told about the effects of passive smoking. No one in my view can read his heart felt offering without feeling a sense of forboding. Is this a man on the edge. I sincerely hope not. We may be on opposite ends of this whole debate, but I have the utmost respect for this Professional. Please do him the courtesy of reading the link. : http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com .

This post replies to Loraine McGregor > RE: Smoke group pledges to fight on

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Robert,

You say 'those seeking the truth'. Everyone knows 'the truth' it is their opinion and has long been made up.

Would love to know when you guys start giving out advice and support for the change. Not too long now.

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