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Gilbert Bank 25/07/2007 01:36:52 |
RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street and why would the non-smokers run to your premises when you despise them so much? They owe you nothing. They have been SPENDING their MONEY quite happily elsewhere as you didn't cater for them. Funny how all this money has been spent looking after the needs of smokers post ban. That seems to be going well. Loyal bunch are they not? They may want to visit the local pub. You just have to give them a reason to. Hissing through clenched teeth. Not good. This post replies to jane acott > RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street |
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| Ken Nason 25/07/2007 07:03:15 |
RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street GB you put forward a totally illogical premis at best and a support for the argument against the ban at worst. You do licensees a disservice by assuming that they despise non smokers. I have yet to meet or talk to one licensee who feels that way. There is anomosity to those who screamed and shouted for their RIGHT to visit the pub and breath clean air at the and then when achieving this at great expence to others DON'T GO TO THE PUB. To my knowledge these were the people who despised the licensees and smokers and voiced it loud and clear. Nothing funny about a licensee trying to accommodate the majority of his customers the only way he can and unfortunately this means spending money to keep them.
As was said these hordes of anti smokers who were from the outset, were going to negate the effects of the ban were never there.They weren't there in the USA they wern't there in Ireland,Scotland and Wales. They like the reasons for the ban were a lie.The only people who said they would be there were the anti smokers. If someone wants to visit a pub they don't need a reason. What now Gilbert they won't visit because you don't have belly dancers on the counter? Pubs are places where people of all groups socialise and consume alcohol and food or used to. If the atmosphere and social gatherings are no longer there then that is placed quite squarely at the feet of the anti smokers, no one else.
Don't you dare try to blame this on the licensees.
Ken Nason This post replies to Gilbert Bank > RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street |
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Pete Robinson 25/07/2007 08:01:39 |
RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street Oh come on Gilbert. Pubs all over the country have been trying anything and everything to attract these 'new' non-smoking customers. You're correct that they're spending their money elsewhere but it sure as hell ain't in any pub. Fact is most non-smokers tend to be only occasional drinkers, hence the pub isn't their natural domain. They never have been and never will be regular pub goers. Nothing wrong with that. Nobody is trying to force them out of their homes although it seems impossible even to tempt them. Incidently we don't 'despise' non-smokers who are a decent, pretty tolerant bunch on the whole. Very few of them are actually in favour of this ban. It's only the antis that get on our scrotes. Antis are insular creatures suffering deeper emotional problems, a kind of borderline psychosis. They are made up from the ranks of teacher's pets and school snitches or the swots who were never present in the student's bar at uni. Whatever unresolved adolescent issues they had now manifest themselves in a bitter hatred of seeing anyone, anywhere, even remotely happy. Antis are likely to have used smoking as an excuse not to go out, not to mix with other people, not to have friends, so that they can dwell miserably at home reading their copies of the ASH 'Fact' Sheets and Mein Kampf . This post replies to this thread |
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| Alastair Elliott 25/07/2007 08:20:19 |
RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street Pete, a fantastic and very true post. Here here. This post replies to this thread |
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| Robert Feal-Martinez 25/07/2007 08:31:46 |
RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street I echo Alastairs post. Ken is also right. The same argument was used as justification for the draconian measures in the DDA. Millions of disabled couldn't go to pubs as they weren't accessable. That was also a blatant lie. Only 5% of the Disabled are immobile 95% could have entered any pub of their choice. They just chose not to and again that hasn't altered. I mentioned this before but I signed up the HMG's direct access website especially for disabled friendly pubs and hotels, and despite millions being spent promoting this site, in 3 years I have not received one referal. Then as usual they wanted me to pay. I wouldn't buy advertising space in a Magazine that achieved nothing why should I pay to be included in a website that doesn't. The fact remains that the majority of the non smokers who were going to pubs were the bulk of them that were likely to, and so it has been confirmed. This post replies to Alastair Elliott > RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street |
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| David Pott 25/07/2007 09:13:57 |
RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street The fact remains that the majority of the non smokers who were going to pubs were the bulk of them that were likely to, and so it has been confirmed. Quite right Bob. But may I add, the non-smokers that we already have are not spending as much because they are either sitting as 'Tommy no mates' at the bar or with their mates outside and as I guess others have found, when people are sitting outside they are not drinking as much. This post replies to Robert Feal-Martinez > RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street |
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| kevin o'connor 25/07/2007 09:46:00 |
RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street Strange, since the ban Gilbert & Singleton have not been singing the praises of how successful their venues have been. Surely the perfectly run 10 story cyber cafe with a turnover in excess of the GDP of a small european country has reached new heights No the spin of the antis is that it is our fault that things turned out the way we knew the would. Our customer base is holding, at present, very much not happy, but not about to let nanny get all her own way. And as I have said in a previous post, the non-smokers are outside keeping them company Strange times This post replies to this thread |
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| Pete Robinson 25/07/2007 10:56:04 |
RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street Strangest thing is that in real life you rarely come across these rigidly intransient anti-smoking diehards. Reading forums on the 'Net (especially the BBC's pages) one would believe antis are rife among the population but personally I can count on one hand the total number I've ever actually met. Every other non-smoker has been fair, tolerant and level headed about the subject. A great many consider the 'scientific evidence' unproved or unconvincing much as they do the current raft of global warming hysteria. Since July 1st like many others here I've actively sought their opinion concerning the new pub environment. While most will say they like the cleaner air they are almost unanimously agreed that it's come at too high a price. Social division, lost friends, missing ambience, empty pubs. Far from the smug gloating of our on-line antis it's apparent real-life non-smokers feel saddened at the current state of affairs. So we have smokers who would readily agree to a reasonable compromise, and non-smokers who generally feel the same way. Yet a tiny minority of politically correct puritans have been allowed to manipulate & dictate policy which radically affects the social habits of the masses together with a great many livelihoods. They really couldn't give a toss whether pubs sink or swim just so long as they can spoil anything regarded as 'fun'. This post replies to this thread |
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| Robert Feal-Martinez 25/07/2007 11:49:26 |
RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street Just How far is HMG going to go in their quest on Smoking. NICE approves varenicline for smoking cessation
Below is an extract from NICE recommending varenicline (Champix) as an effective treatment for helping people to stop smoking
NICE has today (25 July) issued guidance recommending varenicline (Champix) as an effective treatment for helping smokers to quit. According the FDA in the US Champix has greater and more intense side effects than Zyban which is known to have killed dozens of people either directly or indirectly (suicide) This post replies to Pete Robinson > RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street |
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| Robert Feal-Martinez 25/07/2007 11:52:33 |
RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street Insomnia ** 19 18 13 Abnormal dreams 9 13 5 Sleep disorder 2 5 3 Nightmare 2 1 0 NERVOUS SYSTEM Headaches Headache 19 15 13 Neurological Disorders NEC Dysgeusia 8 5 4 Somnolence 3 3 2 Lethargy 2 1 0 This post replies to Robert Feal-Martinez > RE: Pubs warned over smokers drinking in street |
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