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Michael J. McFadden 16/08/2007 15:51:51 |
"The results of two year-onyear surveys show the weather almost wholly responsible for the downturn, with the smoking ban impacting only marginally."
Oh, of course, after all, why would anyone think the prospect of going to a pub and having to stand outside with your friends in the rain half the night would have anything to do with your decision to go to the pub?
Wait till the winter comes and they say, "The cold weather is to blame for the pubs' downturn with the smoking ban impacting only marginally."
Take a look at what happened to the hospitality biz in sunny happy California, not just one or two years after their bans, but extending for over TEN years since the Antismokers began flexing their muscles and throwing customers out:
http://kuneman.smokersclub.com/economic.html
Smoking bans are bad laws based upon lies. They deserve no more respect than the informers and collaborators who make them workable.
Michael J. McFadden Author of Dissecting Antismokers' Brains http://pasan.TheTruthIsALie.com This post replies to this thread |
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Iain Page 16/08/2007 16:17:36 |
Michael, being based in the USA, I am not too sure how much exposure you have had to England. In previous times of trouble, such as the flooding we have seen, the local pub would have provided a unifying hub for the community. Thanks to the smoking ban this has been lost. It is now turned into a divisive threat to community as smoking widows are being created and neighbour set against neighbour because of the outside noise issue. There is a view that this is exactly what the governement and proponents of the nanny state want. Already pubs are being driven out of business and takings are down by 30% in some areas. The only thing masking it, spin aside, is some pubcos pushing microwaved food. This post replies to Michael J. McFadden > RE: The big pub trade washout |
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| Carlo Rossi 16/08/2007 16:58:52 |
Shame on those pubcoes- if theyd joined in we could have some proper compromise in place. This post replies to Iain Page > RE: The big pub trade washout |
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| Michael J. McFadden 17/08/2007 02:20:35 |
Iain, you wrote, "Thanks to the smoking ban this (a unifying pub) has been lost. It is now turned into a divisive threat to community as smoking widows are being created and neighbour set against neighbour because of the outside noise issue."
Exactly Iain. This is how it was put by one of our California folks who fled to another state only to find that the Nanny extremists were pushing a ban there too:
"You guys really have no idea of what you're in for with this smoking ban. The worst consequence of these bans is never discussed, because it can only be experienced. The California ban was the most polarizing and segregating event in recent history, and I've always felt the ban was the original catalyst for the self-centered, bitter culture that exists there today, where people no longer interact with their neighbors. You can't send 1/3 or 1/4 of the population to the "back of the bus" without serious social problems arising. That's the main reason I wanted out of California. It was so full of hate, and truly violent rhetoric against smokers.
The smoking ban turned everyone into enemies, ... No sense of community, no friendliness, no sense of compassion ... surrounded by people, but with no neighbors or community. It's segregation, which leads to isolated subcultures rather than citizens interacting with each other normally."
When Paul wrote that the idea of banning smoking in a person's private bought and paid for home was still being called a paranoid fantasy: headlines from Belmont California yesterday announced that they're voting on a law to ban smoking in attached rowhomes.
If the Defiance doesn't succeed Britain, you're in more trouble than you dream.
Michael J. McFadden Author of Dissecting Antismokers' Brains http://pasan.TheTruthIsALie.com
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Gilbert Bank 17/08/2007 04:56:52 |
Iain, you wrote, "Thanks to the smoking ban this (a unifying pub) has been lost. It is now turned into a divisive threat to community as smoking widows are being created and neighbour set against neighbour because of the outside noise issue." Non-smoking widows have sent their smoking husbands outside for a long time. (BTW what a sexist statement.) Exactly Iain. This is how it was put by one of our California folks who fled to another state only to find that the Nanny extremists were pushing a ban there too: Look before you leap and an endorsement for the level playing field "You guys really have no idea of what you're in for with this smoking ban. The worst consequence of these bans is never discussed, because it can only be experienced. The California ban was the most polarizing and segregating event in recent history, and I've always felt the ban was the original catalyst for the self-centered, bitter culture that exists there today, where people no longer interact with their neighbors. You can't send 1/3 or 1/4 of the population to the "back of the bus" without serious social problems arising. That's the main reason I wanted out of California. It was so full of hate, and truly violent rhetoric against smokers. California being the home to Hollywood of course. Wow, we got caught with the bussing thing...lets use it to prove a point. They may not notice. cont.... This post replies to Iain Page > RE: The big pub trade washout |
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| Gilbert Bank 17/08/2007 05:00:36 |
The smoking ban turned everyone into enemies, ... No sense of community, no friendliness, no sense of compassion ... surrounded by people, but with no neighbors or community. It's segregation, which leads to isolated subcultures rather than citizens interacting with each other normally." What about that? The most aggressive imperialist nation on earth has turned everyone into enemies. these questions have been asked by US immigration in the past Are you a homosexual? Are you/have you ever been a member of the communist party? Do you own a blood soaked chainsaw? guess who was most likely to get in? Answer This post replies to Gilbert Bank > RE: The big pub trade washout |
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| Ken Nason 17/08/2007 09:12:22 |
Gilbert you appear to be able to poke fun and ridicule on the points raised by other posters but unable to discuss them. Are you saying that as citizens of an imperialist nation that people should just accept such impositions upon them and that there is a connection between smoking bans and nations that do not control entry at their borders? Other than those implied connections I can see no reason for your bringing them up in the context of this topic.
Perhaps you could enlighten me
Ken Nason
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| Michael How 19/08/2007 09:10:40 |
With reference to the no smoking ban in pubs, I am now finding that smokers are now retreating outside more frequently to have a cigarette, because as they say smoking now is more on their minds than ever before. So with the cold weather even less drinks will be consumed by the regulars because sitting in a pub garden will not be an ideal scenario, more pubs will go to the wall. Thank you government for attempting to destroy yet another community environment in this country ! Michael How [ stock taker ]
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| Iain Page 20/08/2007 00:25:07 |
The article says: "The results of two year-onyear surveys show the weather almost wholly responsible for the downturn, with the smoking ban impacting only marginally." Can we have the links to these two surveys please and any other data that might substantiate this assertion. My empirical evidence and that of many other publicans is contradictory to the statement. In fact I would assert that bad weather is good for my pubs because it reduces the temptation to nip off to the coast. I am getting more than a little sick of the government spin machine (and the ‘industry giants’) telling us that the ban is popular just because nearly all of us are law abiding. The truth is that less people are going to the pub and those that do are staying for shorter periods because of the smoking ban. It is not very appealing for smokers and their non-smoking friends to have to trudge out to the smoking ghetto, grinning and bearing the stupidity of this ban while the dead hand of nanny state looms over the once lively bar. Bottom line is that sales are down and the smoking ban is to blame. This will reflect in the results of the pubcos and brewers no matter how much they try to spin it now. This post replies to this thread |
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| christine raine 26/08/2007 17:09:22 |
dear all this is our 5th summer in our pub and it is the worst we have had.we are dreading the winter,as most of our winter trade is older locals who smoke and will not come out christine northumberland This post replies to this thread |
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