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Craig Ward 24/10/2007 11:56:10 |
RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed Andy you are correct the trade does need to unite, at this point in time the powers that be will be revelling in the fact that there is so much discord. I am sure that if everybody stood together they would have to pay attention after all United we stand divided we fall and boy don't they know it! This post replies to andy davis > RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed |
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Robert Feal-Martinez 24/10/2007 12:06:17 |
RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed Wardy as always common sense. I think there are too many conflicting views because individuals see different solutions to the same problem. This was classic with the smoking ban and still continues. However the wider issues facing front line licensees are fundemental to our survival, that should be the defining factor. Everything else is superficial. It matters not who leads an organisation set up to help us all, it matters that it happens. If we continue to fight lonesome battles we will indeed disappear as proper pubs, with proper licensees. Perhaps the Pubco's would welcome that. It's far easier to manipulate clones than control free thought. This post replies to Craig Ward > RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed |
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| Charles Yaxley 24/10/2007 12:51:28 |
RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed Bob, I'm tired, tired of the tedious personal attacks that crop up again and again. Judging by your last post and, indeed previous posts, not to mention having had the opportunity to meet you, it has always been my view that you hold balanced and sensible views. For those not in the know: Bob is no 'flat-earther' and neither is he cocooned in some bye-gone time. Our industry needs more people like Bob, with passion and a deep understanding of the business. We don't all need to agree but we do need to unite to protect our industry........and yes JS, that includes a need for you and all the managed sector as well. This post replies to Robert Feal-Martinez > RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed |
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| Robert Feal-Martinez 24/10/2007 13:04:16 |
RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed Charles thank you for those kind words. You are right they we do not have to all agree on everything but we should be able to gain a concensus of that which affects all our front line businesses. As the title indicates The National Association of Licensees does not exclude any sector of the Industry. Everyone has something to offer. There is a wealth and depth of experience out there, it must be harvested to protect all our futures, including the Managed sector who are under extreme attack in terms of reducing numbers as I'm sure Dave Daly of the NALHM would agree. Lets stand together not fight each other. This post replies to Charles Yaxley > RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed |
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| Craig Ward 24/10/2007 13:48:47 |
RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed At last we are starting to get somewhere now its time for everybody else to stand up and fight together, we can overcome the majority of these problems if we all stand together and with a united voice declare that we will no longer be trod on, bullied, put out of business, BUT the only way WILL be together! This post replies to Robert Feal-Martinez > RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed |
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| Dave Robinson 24/10/2007 14:27:29 |
RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed i must say admittedly i do not know the full going on but from what i do know of Robert and others i would say, certainl;y on these forums at least, that Robert is a very honourable man and whilst other posters' mask has slipped on occassion to reveal their true colours Robert seems to me a man of his word, a word i often dont agree with but nevertheless a man of his word. For that i respect him and his opinions although as a i said i dont neccessarily agree with them. F2C appears to be a dying animal now and it coincides with the infighting and subsequent chance of leader and direction. Robert knows as well as I that the animal needed a supply of coverage to continue growing and maintained its presence in the media through tireless work. He knew that you needed to connect with the general public and the best way was via the press.
Since the divorce press activity has been minimal and as such F2C mk2 is exhaling a few last dying breaths in its media vacuum. Without support its just another crackpot with a website lost amongst millions of other crackpots with websites. This post replies to Robert Feal-Martinez > RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed |
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| andy davis 24/10/2007 15:11:51 |
RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed Dave I really dont know what planet you plucked your F2C comments from. Surely the crackpots are the people within your trade who stand back, doing nothing, while HMG ride roughshod all over the industry. Though perhaps you are right. Perhaps customers of the hospitality trade must be crackpots to be the vast majority of people who are standing up and fighting to save the livelihoods of those who now stand idle behind the bars of empty pubs, pandering to the demands of the nanny state- without so much as a whimper! This post replies to Dave Robinson > RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed |
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| Dave Robinson 24/10/2007 15:40:40 |
RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed Andy, Plucked directly from planet earth, perhaps you should visit. F2C now is a pro-smoking group headed up by someone who honestly believes that a smoking ban can be directly compared to apartheid. The group now is one of the most paranoid bodies i have ever come across. Together with the ridiculous comparisions all they talk about is conspiracy. Add all those together alongside dwindling support and you are left with a crackpot organisation that is perfectly at home on the internet, along with all the other crackpot associations like the royal family are lizards and such like.
I disagree greatly with most of what Robert says on many issues but that is life. What is plain to see from the outside is that F2C has missed its opportunity to connect with the wider public - a public that 'possibly' (with a hell of a lot of hard work) could be motivated to care enough about the ban but will flat out reject anyone who believes we are facing another aparthied. I suspect this now boils down to pride. If the new 'leader' truely cares about the issue he should swallow his pride and invite Robert back because without doubt F2C were a much more driven and public organisation than they are now. This post replies to andy davis > RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed |
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| andy davis 24/10/2007 16:14:36 |
RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed Dave your interpretation is way off the mark- perhaps your Planet Earth is one in a parallel universe.Your description of goings on in F2C are right out of the conspiracy theorists manual. There is no factual basis behind anything you said in your previous comment.It is merely slagging off F2C. Why do you feel the need to do this? Perhaps you would be better off focussing on your own industry which while busy standing to attention and saluting(never mind daring to question) all deemed authority, its members are dwindling as the trade shrivells to a relic of British history. If F2C do fail to change the ban, one compensation will, be passing by the dole queues filled with the apathetic sheep who formerly worked in the pub trade, on my way back from the supermarket with my 4 pack of beer(thats assuming i remembered to take my beer buyers license).
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| Craig Ward 24/10/2007 16:33:00 |
RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed Can't you just agree to disagree? This post replies to andy davis > RE: Famous Status Quo pub closed |
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