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Peter Harvey 29/11/2007 14:38:51 |
RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good Well with this news (which was expected) I would like to thank all those involved, The Government, The Doo Gooders i.e. Ash, the Health organisations who keep scaremongering, The Supermarkets, the list is quite hefty against a well regulated business This post replies to this thread |
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Nicola Monks 30/11/2007 10:42:36 |
RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good I know that this is nothing to do with the thread – I’m posting this on every thread!! For those who have not read the ‘Pub Co Bullies’ forum, Wardy (aka Inez Ward) has been taken ill. She is going to be having heart surgery soon. Over the past months, Inez has been fighting to have the Pub Co model changed. She has a petition online at the moment that is asking the Government to re-look at the Department of Trade and Industry report of 2004. Please, take a few moments to sign the petition. Email the link to everyone you know. Inez has worked tirelessly on this, even though at times she was not well enough to be doing so. I know that everyone on these forums will wish her all the love and support they can but I think the best medicine for Inez will be as many signatures as we can manage! Thanks! Nicola xx http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Pubcos/?ref=pubcos
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| guy Arnold 30/11/2007 11:33:18 |
RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good Never sign an MPO unless there's a clear and substantial reason for it.
Landlords cannot 'unreasonably' refuse licence to assign.
In the current market, a volume related MPO could easily be seen as 'unreasonable'.
If it's a TRUE partnership, and both parties are GENUINELY working positively together, there's no need for an MPO.
KBO. Guy. This post replies to Robert Feal-Martinez > RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good |
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| guy Arnold 30/11/2007 11:40:32 |
RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good Far too many people take on pubs for the wrong reasons.
It's ESSENTIAL that the proper work is done up front BEFORE signing anything. If this had been done properly, there would be less mugs to keep poor pubs open, (and many of these '2000' would already be AUV), then, and only then, might there be some real progress on support and attitude.
While there's a good supply of willing lambs, then, of course, the landords will not believe there's any issue. This is the ONE thing they need more than anything else.
Yes, there's many issues out there, but there's also HUGE opportunities. I have personally been involved with 'turning round' > 20 brewery disposals over the years. (by doing simple things well!).
Close & redevelop the REALLY poor pubs. Support and develop the good ones. A simple business strategy.
CAVEAT EMPTOR. Guy. This post replies to Stephen Docking > RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good |
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Robert Feal-Martinez 30/11/2007 12:53:58 |
RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good So you would be surprised to learn then Guy that it is your beloved Enterprise Inns then, who have imposed this MPO. This post replies to guy Arnold > RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good |
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| Robert Feal-Martinez 30/11/2007 12:57:11 |
RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good Yet another licensee failure. As we keep getting told. A PUB landlord has sounded the death knell for the traditional English pub after his takings have dropped by almost 30 per cent since the smoking ban started. David Church, who runs the Two Brewers on Olney High Street, said his takings have dipped since the cold weather began in the middle of October, after a summer that seemed relatively unaffected by the smoking ban. "Trade dropped marginally in the summer after the smoking ban started," said David. "But because the weather wasn't great and there wasn't much sport on I can't say whether this small drop was simply down the the smoking ban. "Since the weather has turned cold, however, I have really noticed a big drop in takings. I think this is because smokers would rather stay at home to have a cigarette with their drink than come to the pub and have to sit out in the cold and the rain." This post replies to Robert Feal-Martinez > RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good |
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jane acott 30/11/2007 13:55:06 |
RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good Guy, those "willing lambs" as you put it are the very people the Pub Cos usually place in pubs to ensure that they do not loose rent and can save money tying them to tied wet & maintenance. Where a pub really is not viable then I would agree that closure can and in some cases should be inevitable but unfortunatley you can not ignore that a large majority of pubs who face closure in the not too distant future just can not battle the legislative eliments. Too many "experienced" publicans are being faced with no win situations that are usually caused by red tape and this is a great shame. This post replies to Robert Feal-Martinez > RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good |
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| Kevin Webb 05/12/2007 14:30:52 |
RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good Yet another licensee failure. As we keep getting told. A PUB landlord has sounded the death knell for the traditional English pub after his takings have dropped by almost 30 per cent since the smoking ban started. David Church, who runs the Two Brewers on Olney High Street, said his takings have dipped since the cold weather began in the middle of October, after a summer that seemed relatively unaffected by the smoking ban. "Trade dropped marginally in the summer after the smoking ban started," said David. "But because the weather wasn't great and there wasn't much sport on I can't say whether this small drop was simply down the the smoking ban. "Since the weather has turned cold, however, I have really noticed a big drop in takings. I think this is because smokers would rather stay at home to have a cigarette with their drink than come to the pub and have to sit out in the cold and the rain." Your right on this one, where are all the non-smokers gone who brought this ban in, why are'nt they using the pubs that have been now catered to their whinging comforts....before anyone asks NO i dont smoke. My two pubs (one which will have to close because of the ban) have suffered greatly from the ban but the stats sent out tell us different another smoke screen??? This post replies to Robert Feal-Martinez > RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good |
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| William McLeod 05/12/2007 14:49:46 |
RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good Sounds like a pub very close to me. Since the smoking ban, one of the partners went a little crazy because of the drop in custom and disappeared for several months. Their sales have dipped significantly more than ours to the point that the place is not anywhere near profitable. Recently, they spoke with us and asked us to take the place over and run it for them. But as we have cut back our staffing by 30% since the ban, we do not have the time to do this. The title for this article is misleading. Where it states that 2000 pubs could close for good, it overlooks the fact that many times this will change hands due to bankruptsy and insolvency. That will mean probably 10,000+ pubs will become insolvent during the next six months, inundating the courts with insolvency petitions and new social welfare claims. This also means the loss of many more jobs and livelihoods. Smoking will continue unabated until their next step, a total ban on tobacco products. Then a massive loss of revenue from tobacco tax, which must be made up somewhere. And all the while, a black market for tobacco the likes the world has never seen. It is our future. This post replies to this thread |
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| Kevin Webb 05/12/2007 20:59:55 |
RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good Hear, hear William, your words are exactly as it is but the government can not afford to publish the truth or facing further tainting of their already tarnished image. No one will bare the brunt of the true facts of the economy even pubco's won't give you a true figure of the ammount of insolvencies, bankruptcies or empty buildings they have. Ask your BDM its like talking to a politician and all the while the band still plays on ....Girls Aloud in this case...party on Giles!!! This post replies to William McLeod > RE: 2,000 pubs could close for good |
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