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Anthea Henderson 25/02/2008 22:19:44 |
RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs Mrs Johnson is talking out of his A**E! which seems to be all that is needed these days to be a politician. Have a look at the real world Mr Johnson. In fact come a do my job and I'll do yours. This post replies to this thread |
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J Mark Dodds 25/02/2008 23:55:08 |
RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs Does anyone have the real figures for how many pubs have closed down since July, and comparable figures for previous years? Alan *It's Official* real figures, according to PubCo representatives, the government (MrJohnson) and a man who went to mow a meadow, NO pubs have gone out of business. They are thriving. Market conditions are buoyant. At least (at last?) Graham Allman accepted above that some pubs have been going going gone. This post replies to Alan Thompson > RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs |
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| Michael J. McFadden 26/02/2008 02:59:00 |
RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs Bill Gibson wrote, " have these numpties give evidence under oath. They are then obliged to be cross examined still under oath..
Best of luck in forcing them to testify. We tried that here in the States almost ten years ago. Here's an excerpt from p. 73 of "Brains" on it:
===== .... while tobacco executives' Congressional testimonies under oath received wide coverage, a refusal to testify under similar oath by FDA Commissioner David Kessler and by Surgeon General C. Everett Koop got almost none… after all, they were the "good guys," so why should they have to take an oath? (They simply said,) "We see no reason for the committee to suggest that our testimony about tobacco now requires that we be put under oath or treated akin to tobacco executives (New York Times. 03/05/98)." ====
Amazing, eh?
Michael J. McFadden Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains" www.Antibrains.com Such an outrageous refusal by two of the nation's leading Antismokers to be held to even a minimum standard of honesty should have made banner headlines all over the country… but of course it did not. This post replies to Bill Gibson > RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs |
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| Michael J. McFadden 26/02/2008 03:08:32 |
RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs HM Johnson said, " "We have seen no significant evidence to suggest that smoke-free legislation either in this country, or in others where similar legislation has been in place for some years, will create any long-term economic problems for pubs or for the hospitality trade in general."
Does the UK have any mechanism for removing someone from office for outright, undeniable incompetence? If the information at
http://kuneman.smokersclub.com/economic.html
and Stephen Corbett's share figures are not "significant evidence" of "long-term economic problems for pubs or for the hospitality trade in general" then I would like to know what is.
Remember "Baghdad Bob" talking about how Iraq was winning the war at the same time the split-screen was showing the tanks rolling into the city? That's the situation the UK is in at the moment with regard to the smoking ban, and the proper response is the same one that the Iraqi citizens gave to their lying government: ignore them. The smoking ban is a bad law based upon lies. It is not a proper law and deserves no respect at all. If it is simply ignored, it will go away.
Michael J. McFadden Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains" http://pasan.TheTruthIsALie.com
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| Graham Allman 26/02/2008 08:27:34 |
RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs Mark hello. I have never said that pubs are not closing and being lost forever. Nothing new with this condition nor is it wrong as market conditions prevail ie supply and demand. I can confirm that i am doing my bit to keep the great British pub alive , by drinking more down my local !!!!! The issue is that this government has accelerated the closures by its draconian laws , ill concieved and unpopular with the majority , but what do they care , TOTAL CONTROL of the POPULATION is almost here. This post replies to J Mark Dodds > RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs |
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| Robin Williamson 26/02/2008 10:01:25 |
RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs This is typical of parliament, MP’s do not live in the real world, before making such statements they should visit wet community pubs which the majority of the regular customer are smokers.
For community pubs to survive the fixed tie, high rents, inflated trade prices, exorbitant Sky charges they need to generate a high turnover purely from wet sales, the smoking ban has restricted that ability; it has without doubt lowered the footfall through the door of both smokers and non smokers .
In one respect Alan Johnson is right but in another he is wrong, it is the cost of promoting the business and the high fixed charges that continue to rise whilst the customer base has decreased is the reason pubs are closing , but that is down to the smoking ban.
The government has made it difficult for the smoker they have segregated them, and treated them like a third class citizen turning them out in the cold, neither have they taken the knock on effects into account and continue to wear blinkers whilst here in England we continue to lose our community pubs daily
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| Chris Broscomb 26/02/2008 11:09:54 |
RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs "Evidence in fact suggests that it is likely to be prevailing economic, structural and cultural issues, rather than the introduction of smoke-free legislation, which will be primary cause of any significant decline in the pub sector," After 10 years of Labour rule is Alan Johnson actually saying that his party has failed to influence economic, structural and cultural issues or these issues are a result of Government influence or they just don't care? Surely they knew of these 'issues'. His claim that the ban is heralded by many to be a significant intervention is quite true - shame he only listens to his friends in and around the D0H. It certainly has, on top of the 'issues', been a significant public health intervention to the detriment of small businesses, community health, social venues, the environment, tolerance and many of its citizens. I'd be very interested in what Janet Anderson, MP, has to say about Alan Johnson's comments. Despite being in favour of the ban she, at least, was willing to listen to some of her constituents -- Is she the only MP who has listened and is she now aware that public health and social health are both essential to the nation's health? This post replies to this thread |
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| Phil Johnson 26/02/2008 11:50:22 |
RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs "We (being the gov't) have seen no significant......." is exactly what I expect them to say. They only churn out the political 'speak' that they themselves want to hear. We at freedom2choose.info hereby challenge Alan Johnson and any number of his acolytes, to a face to face factual discussion about the carnage being wreaked by this idiotically structured law. Should ASH wish to join in I cannot welcome them quickly enough-any offers? One simple way to change is this (the signage is coming) LABOUR NO-SMOKE NO VOTE Remove these nation destroyers once and for all. We had a culture, they have destroyed it! This post replies to this thread |
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| John Baker 26/02/2008 12:04:26 |
RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs He's wrong and he's right:
Wrong: it has hit some pubs very hard: so they need to change in order to survive.
Right: it's the other prevailing issues such as economic and cultural change that's the real issue. This is also where the real opportunity lies.
By predicting and taking advantage of the changes, pub operators can create future success.
By moaning about the past, they will not thrive.
KBO, Guy. Oh dear, oh dear! Yet another person who thinks that if you 'protest to something' you must be living in the past! Pubs and clubs cater for the general public and, bearing in mind that they are also a business, they change their habits to suit the prevailing circumstances but don't want to exclude their regular customers. If you, or anybody else thinks, like I think Allan Johnson thinks, that losing a large part of this community that we live in, i.e. pubs and clubs as 'colatteral damage' then your sadly mistaken. I have a bulging mailbag, whither it be snail mail, email or phone calls that tells me everything to the contrary. John H Baker Secretary F2C This post replies to guy Arnold > RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs |
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| Phil Johnson 26/02/2008 12:28:59 |
RE: Smoke ban not closing pubs Well here's your answer Mr Health Secretary - who obviously needs a brain scan to ascertain if it is still functioning! A SECOND social club in Blackpool has closed blaming the smoking ban for driving members away. And its owners today warned others will follow. The curtain will come down on the Claremont Theatre Club on Friday after two decades. It follows the shock closure of the Central Club in Kent Road. Claremont owner David Hall said in its heyday his Sherbourne Road club boasted 1,000 members. Numbers have now dwindled to just 100.
Keep living in cotton-wool land Jonno! This post replies to this thread |
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