A Devon licensee has been fined £130 plus costs for flouting the smoking ban.
Joanne Kendall of the Stag's Head in Barnstaple admitted allowing customers to smoke inside the pub at Barnstaple magistrates.
North Devon council officials had received complaints from other licensees in the area who claimed to be losing money.
Undercover officials witnessed smoking at the pub on three separate occasions.
"There were further complaints from other landlords saying it was an unfair advantage, and their customers were going to the Stag's Head," licensing officer Nick Perkins told the BBC.
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Harry Barnett 25/07/2008 11:46:05![]() |
RE: Devon licensee fined for flouting smoke ban Why On earth would other licencees complain about Joanne Kendall of North Devon allowing smoking in her pub? After all the surveys apparently say that the public don't want smoking in pubs. If this is the case why are all thier customers going to her pub? The other licencees are actually saying that she should go broke the same as they are rather than show some courage and follow her lead. The Magistrates semm to agree with her going by the leniency of her fine. Good for you Joanne I hope you carry on. This fine is livable with and just maybe those cowardly landlords will join you rather than stabbing you in the back. H This post replies to this thread |
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Dave Evans 25/07/2008 13:29:33![]() |
RE: Devon licensee fined for flouting smoke ban Unfortunately Harry, going by past cases the costs will be phenomenal. Dave E. This post replies to Harry Barnett > RE: Devon licensee fined for flouting smoke ban |
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Nigel Wakefield 25/07/2008 18:28:49![]() |
Devon licensee fined for flouting smoke ban The pub is actually on my door step and was run by a delightful old chap, who for years ran it as a local smokers booser. He retired a young licensee took it over and failed miserably, this lady took it over, she had signs outside saying that it was a smokers pub, which the council made her take down. She was apparently serving behind the bar with a cigarette in her hand and a number of customers were smoking. The pub needless to say is now closed, joining many others, she was in fact providing a service, nobody was complaining customer or staff wise, so what was the problem apart from officialdom. This post replies to this thread |
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Dave Evans 25/07/2008 22:28:48![]() |
Devon licensee fined for flouting smoke ban The problem my dear chap, was that she was exposing the lie. People DO want smokers pubs. I'm not saying ALL pubs should be so, just that it should be allowed. Dave E. Edit: The dear chap bit was just a bit of frivolity lol Dave E. edited by: Dave Evans at: 25/07/2008 22:29:27 This post replies to Nigel Wakefield > Devon licensee fined for flouting smoke ban |
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Nigel Wakefield 25/07/2008 22:39:40![]() |
Devon licensee fined for flouting smoke ban The irony of it is, it is probably the worst pub in Barnstaple for everything that a licensee should not me, but it had it's customers and they were happy. I had to do an assessment on a pub in Bristol a couple of years ago in the rough end of the city. The place superficially looked tired and battered. At 11.15 in the morning the place was packed with layers of blue smoke and the roughest mob I have seen in a pub for a number of years, everything was nailed down, the bar was not particularly big and the inside was a complete arm pit. The landlord said it is what the locals want, no food, beer, games and smoking, the beer cellar was spotless, his barrelage was in excess of 500, that to my mind makes him a good operator, giving his customers what they want. All this legislation stops a lot of licensees doing that, more Government interference. I don't know whether anyone picked it up the German Pubs got some relief from the smoking ban on hardship??? This post replies to Dave Evans > Devon licensee fined for flouting smoke ban |
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Dave Evans 25/07/2008 23:02:35![]() |
Devon licensee fined for flouting smoke ban Been in many pubs just like that. Rough as hell but a great bunch of regulars once you get in with them. Don't have too much time for trawling unfortunately so didn't know about the compensation thing in Germany. Won't happen here. :( Dave E. This post replies to Nigel Wakefield > Devon licensee fined for flouting smoke ban |
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John Dwyer 28/07/2008 08:38:41![]() |
RE: Devon licensee fined for flouting smoke ban Harry (and Joanne). You cannot pick and choose which law you think is worthy of obeying or not. The law on smoking in public buildings is quite clear - you can't do it! I think I'll not obey speed limits today, or perhaps I'll beat my wife. I hope my 'cowardly' neighbours won't stab me in the back and report me. This post replies to this thread |
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Peter Eveleigh 28/07/2008 09:26:38![]() |
Devon licensee fined for flouting smoke ban It's a fairly cheap shot to hide behind the basic tenor that we should not cherry pick the laws to be upheld or not; the problem with the smoking ban is "yes it is the Law" - but it is a very bad law based on junk science - for one, (and please lets not do that to death again); but also the EUROPEAN LAWYERS REFUSE TO ADMIT THAT COMPENSATION CLAIMS ARE VALID. as confirmed by their findings passed down recently:- (background synopsis) "The applicant, Mrs. Kay Labate, widow of former European Commission official Mario Labate, on her own behalf and on behalf of her husband's estate, contests the Commission's decisions refusing to recognise the lung cancer of her husband as an occupational disease. Mr Labate was an official with the Commission for 29 years, during which time he was exposed, according to the Applicant, to a large amount of secondhand tobacco smoke. He was declared permanently invalid following the discovery of the lung cancer which subsequently led to his death. He submitted a request for recognition of the illness as an occupational disease". (THE FINDING) "The claims for compensation submitted in the letter of 25 October 2007 by Mrs Labate are dismissed as manifestly unfounded". The Law makers - European or otherwise - cannot have it both ways. http://englandexpects.blogspot.com/2008/07/nobody-died-of-pasasive-smoking.html This post replies to this thread |