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Health Secretary Alan Johnson has defended the smoking ban after an MP lodged a petition calling for partial exemptions for pubs.
MP Daniel Kawczynski wants smoking allowed in up to 20% of pubs’ interiors — because “the current ban on smoking in public places leaves smokers exposed to the elements of the British winter”.
The Tory MP for Shrewsbury & Atcham said it’s “unfair to treat bars and pubs the same as other public places when it comes to smoking, as smoking tobacco is something people traditionally do in bars and pubs”.
Johnson replied that a blanket ban “created a level playing field within the hospitality sector”.
This “was seen to be the fairest solution, whilst also protecting workers and the wider public from the harmful effects of secondhand smoke”.
Johnson added: “Parliament also gave consideration to exposure to the elements of a British winter for those who go outside and smoke.
“It is generally recognised that winters in this country are much less harsh than in
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Dave Evans 30/07/2008 00:22:16  |
RE: MP calls for smoke ban exemptions Bill. With this phrase "Cancer causing carcinogens" you perpetuate the myth that cancer is 'caused'. It is actually already there and dormant, waiting for a trigger, (the carcinogen). If that were not the case, everyone exposed to a carcinogen would be 'infected' with cancer. In the particular case of Roy Castle, no-one but Roy Castle attributed his cancer to SHS, he was self diagnosed as you correctly say. Dave E. This post replies to Bill Gibson > RE: MP calls for smoke ban exemptions |
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Forum user 4216 30/07/2008 09:09:27 |
RE: MP calls for smoke ban exemptions Does any one wish that the government could make its mind up about any thing! smoking ban, super casinos, id cards. They are a bunch of muppets, and as for the PM...in the words of jilted john....gordon is a moron, This post replies to this thread |
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Nigel Wakefield 30/07/2008 10:09:54 |
MP calls for smoke ban exemptions The smoking ban has killed many pubs core businesses, since people make people in a pub and the early morning or evening smokers set the business up. The big thing about smoking was the effect on staff, if all pubs had smoke extractors over the bar instead of in the centre of the pub, this would have saved a lot of hassle, the staff are the only people that will sue you on passive smoking, that solution was too easy. In the USA they have discovered since smoking has been reduced people are living longer, but the cost of medical insurance has rocketed since those people that live longer cost far more than a smoker who dies at 55 and their medical insurance bill is in serious trouble. Germany has relaxed their smoking policy in various bars because of the fall in business. Unfortunately the smoking ban is hitting a soft target and has been a headline grabber for a sadly failing government. The government would have been better to make the tobacco companies create and run smoking related illness hospitals out of their vast profits, the government would have had the cigarette duty and we could all get on with our lives. I am a non smoker and am delighted that smokers donate so much revenue to the country or did. This post replies to this thread |
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| Peter Eveleigh 30/07/2008 11:00:33 |
MP calls for smoke ban exemptions Bill, has the Scottish Licencing Act included smoking into their definition of "licencable activities" - which would therefore become an activity over which they might exercise jurisdiction. If they have not, then how can they tell a licencee where his smokers may or may not go for a smoke within the context of this particular Act. as a basis for comparison, the England / Wales Licencing act 2003 only covers the sale of alcohol, not consumption, and "regulated entertainment" which is reasonably well specified. No mention of smoking. I suppose the Scottish Parliament could try to impose restrictions on smoking within the conditions as specified for Premise Licences - but again, if it is not a licencable activity, how can they impose conditions under that particular Act? And how can they expect a "landlocked" licensee to police his piece of pavement to prevent a passer by from smoking within his / her 1.2 metres of frontage. Just more lunacy. This post replies to Bill Gibson > MP calls for smoke ban exemptions |
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| Les Whittaker 30/07/2008 12:20:16 |
MP calls for smoke ban exemptions 1.2 metres would put my smoker fairly and squarely in the middle of the road. If I had enough smokers left then maybe we could have a protest by blocking the road. This post replies to Peter Eveleigh > MP calls for smoke ban exemptions |
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| Peter Eveleigh 30/07/2008 23:05:05 |
MP calls for smoke ban exemptions Hear hear Les, or even worse be done for jay walking This post replies to Les Whittaker > MP calls for smoke ban exemptions |
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| Forum user 4332 02/08/2008 11:58:13 |
RE: MP calls for smoke ban exemptions Last winter there were several occasions when our only customer was an eighty year old man who sat shivering with his paper and ashtray in the garden under a brolly while the empty bar was warm and toasty. I hope I shall remember Mr Johnsons comments come the next cold Monday afternoon in January, when I shall tell Hugh how lucky he is not to be in Norway or Canada! This post replies to this thread |
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kevin o'connor 02/08/2008 17:44:36 |
MP calls for smoke ban exemptions Always good for an odd slant on life www.barrybeelzebub.co.uk This post replies to this thread |
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| Dave Evans 02/08/2008 18:38:20 |
MP calls for smoke ban exemptions Fact is Nigel, smokers pay several times their supposed 'burden' in excise duty. The other fact is, the Enstrom & Kabat study over 39 years is in. Guess what! No connection between ETS exposure and lung cancer, cardiovascular disease or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. They were criticised because the last 2 years of the 39 year study were financed indirectly by tobacco companies. They had to get that finance from somewhere, as the pharmaceutical companies pulled the plug early on and Tobacco-Related Disease Research Program Stopped funding in 1997 because they knew it wasn't going the 'right' way. So the money to correlate all the data came from the Center for Indoor Air Research, (tobacco funded). Dave E. Edit. I know it has been 'in' for some time. But still worth pointing out that the biggest ever study has VERY low levels of risk. Dave E. edited by: Dave Evans at: 02/08/2008 18:39:39 This post replies to Nigel Wakefield > MP calls for smoke ban exemptions |
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| Christine Côte 12/08/2008 18:26:07 |
RE: MP calls for smoke ban exemptions Johnson go home ! This post replies to this thread |
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