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Enterprise and Punch have told the anti-pubco Fair Pint campaign they will not meet the group before the Parliamentary inquiry into pub companies, the MA can reveal.
In a letter to the campaign group, Enterprise chief executive Ted Tuppen said: "We have recently written to [Liberal Democrat MP] Tim Farron, in his capacity as chair of the launch of the Fair Pint campaign, expressing our deep concern at the irresponsible, prejudiced and ill informed nature of many of his pronouncements about pub companies, some of his comments verging on the defamatory.
"Adopting such a stance does not imply a willingness to make a balanced assessment of the relationship between pubs and pub companies.
"Clearly, I have to ask myself whether a meeting with your Steering Group would add value to the debate and, given the positions seemingly adopted by those who appear to represent your campaign, I regret that I see little point.
"I recognise that these are very difficult times for the licensed trade an
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edward carpenter 07/08/2008 21:30:07  |
Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint Kevin,in case you were unaware this is a message board. The purpose of a message board is to provide a vehicle for people to express opinions. When I communicate face to face with an individual or group of individuals regarding anything from the price of beer to the fortunes of my football team I communicate in the appropriate manner. I make my feelings as clear as I do on here but in a way appropriate to the setting. OK. This post replies to Dave Evans > Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint |
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David Pott 07/08/2008 20:06:46 |
Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint Edward I was speaking to an Enterprise lessee yesterday. He has a tiny pub in the middle of nowhere. Next weekend he is putting on quite expensive entertainment (for the size of pub) to celebrate his eighth year in the pub. I suspect the vast majority of us are having the tighten our belts at the moment, the tie isn't the root of the problem. The issue really appears to be about what the realistic real-estate value and potential rent for pubs is. This post replies to edward carpenter > Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint |
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| David Pott 07/08/2008 21:50:49 |
Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint Hear hear Kevin. This post replies to kevin o'connor > Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint |
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| David Pott 07/08/2008 21:51:44 |
Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint Dave the problem is what is seen here and the other site. This post replies to Dave Evans > Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint |
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| David Pott 07/08/2008 21:53:03 |
Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint Dave I have been freetrade and tied. I know what discounts are available. What reaaly matters is the profit at the end of the day after all overheads are taken into account. What many appear to be up against is unrealistic rents. Which gets us back to Business Plans if you ain't got one you will probably go bust. Cheap beer like selling after hours is not the answer. This post replies to Dave Evans > Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint |
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Nigel Wakefield 07/08/2008 22:38:06 |
Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint David you are right about the business plan, unfortunately when people buy pubs they produce business plans that I find unbelievable. I had someone ring me this week for advice on buying a Pub Co lease, his existing turnover was £120K rent £32K and various so called professionals had approved his business plan. The place was tired the licensee was tired and they thought they could run it better. My advice was walk away from it, they won't. The corporate bull and that initial ego will make them go ahead. Why do so called professionals help people put business plans together when the odds are against them from the start and Pub Co's approve them into the bargain. This post replies to David Pott > Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint |
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| kevin o'connor 07/08/2008 23:11:27 |
Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint Dave I accept completely that Mark and the rest of the steering committee of Fair Pint are campaigning in a professional manner but they are being undermined by extremist comments. Ted Tuppen defended his position by saying that using emotive terms such as "Rachmanesque" was defamatory. If memory serves that term was used by a poster on this site. Although not made by Fair Pint it has been siezed on by Enterprise. I have said that extreme comments like this would be used against them. The Pubcos are under attack and will use all means possible to defend their position, so perhaps it is time to stop providing them with ammunition This post replies to Dave Evans > Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint |
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| Dave Evans 08/08/2008 02:42:01 |
Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint Kevin: I have long said that posters should moderate their comments for exactly the reasons you cite. There are people who appear to WANT to undermine the campaign, knowing that this site is monitored by the various pubcos. Dave E. This post replies to kevin o'connor > Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint |
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| Nigel Wakefield 08/08/2008 06:27:55 |
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Stephen Corbett 08/08/2008 09:10:56 |
Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint In an efficient market place the tied tenant should pay a little more for his beer and this increased cost should be offset against the amount of rent he pays. The problem is it isn’t an efficient market place and with all controllable costs, including rents, on tied tenants and free of tie tenants balance sheets being comparable then the only difference is the price each tenant pays for their beer. A tied tenant will pay in some cases more than twice as much for their beer so THE TIE IS THE PROBLEM. The supply tie not only forecloses the whole market place it raises competition concerns as well. While pubcos may make a substantial range of products available to tenants, the price charged is not that which is available in the open market, In this way pubcos are able to appear as if they are supporting tenants and independent brewers but in reality, highly restrictive price structures exist within these wide product ranges. The pubcos are in direct competition financially with their tenants because its their interest to push the price of beer up as high as possible to continue to increase their own discounts and ultimate profits each year. Tied tenants have no opportunity for negotiating volume discounts and there is no variations in ‘discount’ from one pubco to another, with no reward for high volume sales as in the free market. This post replies to David Pott > Enterprise and Punch won't meet Fair Pint |
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