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A licensee has been ordered to refuse service to customers who smoke on the street outside her pub.
This message must be carried on signs at the entrance and on street-facing windows as a new condition of the licence at the Horse & Jockey in Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire.
The unusual conditions were imposed at a review, called after a resident asked for the premises licence to be rescinded — and tenant Janis Harmer removed as designated premises supervisor (DPS) — due to noise from within the premises and from smokers outside.
The signs, which must be at least A4 in size, say: “Customers must not smoke on the street outside these premises. Any person failing to observe this condition will be refused further service at the bar upon re-entry.”
The Punch Taverns pub is also banned from using TVs or amplified music outside after 9pm.
Despite the restrictions, Harmer said the council’s decision was “a big relief”, adding, “I thought something would happen to the premises licence or I wou
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Peter Harvey 14/08/2008 19:28:39 |
RE: Outside smoking banned at pub I think this council has crossed the line between the lack of common sense and total insanity how can democratically voted in councillors tell its voting public what to do on such a trivial mater, its just getting beyond belief This post replies to this thread |
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Forum user 4002 14/08/2008 19:28:51  |
RE: Outside smoking banned at pub Another direct attack at our trade - one of the oldest remaining trades in Britain today. We've stopped producing anything of value years ago - soon we will have allowed our own much loved pub industry to disappear also. WESTMINSTER, CARDIFF, SCOTLAND, IRELAND: This industry is possibly the biggest employer on a national scale if all put together. Why are you doing everything you can to put us all on the dole? Now that would be a good one wouldn't it? Imagine the tax we collect for these governments in a year, and carry on working without claiming. Dear me, wake up before we disappear along with so many other histric British institutions. This post replies to this thread |
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| Tony Blows 14/08/2008 23:04:47 |
RE: Outside smoking banned at pub Yet another great move from Hereford Council. these idiots wont enforce the ban anywhere else they are just picking on pubs. i have it in writing from Hereford EHO and will use this against them. the fools also sent me a statement that they tried to change to have me nicked from a member of the public. their time will come and it wont be long. if the MA want to take this up with me give me a ring at The Dog. This post replies to this thread |
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| Dave Evans 15/08/2008 01:22:21 |
And all this on the strength of ONE complaint. As most have observed, this is an attack on the very institution of the pub. Believe it when I say, further attacks are imminent. 1st the smoking ban. Now the POSSIBLE inconvenience to neighbours, next, drinking itself, but as has already been observed, with excessive on-trade taxes; that onslaught is already under way. Dave E. This post replies to this thread |
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| Phil Johnson 15/08/2008 08:59:55 |
RE: Outside smoking banned at pub Is it no wonder that pubs are rapidly becoming boring, soul-less places in which it is now seldom a pleasure to drink? My local has gone from being a happy vibrant establishment to virtually a funeral parlour in the space of twelve months. Pubs are for happy times, laughter and chatter yet because some miserable cretin objects to happiness this Council of fools yet again make a name for themselves through restrictive practices. I'm surprised the pub has been allowed to open its doors ever again after such a crime as this! I mean, people laughing and joking and even enjoying themselves-absolutely disgraceful behaviour! When 20,000 pubs have gone the idiots at the top will start to wonder why? This post replies to this thread |
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| Andrew Dutton 15/08/2008 09:25:09 |
Just thinking on this as a whole so does this mean that if someone complains about the noise from a football stadium that the stadium must force the crowd to be silent? As surely it is the same rules just on a larger scale This post replies to this thread |
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| Phil Johnson 15/08/2008 09:26:48 |
RE: Outside smoking banned at pub Quote:-Morning Advertiser legal editor Peter Coulson said the outdoor ban appeared to be “unreasonable, but it’s the kind of condition that can be imposed at a review”. He said: “The alternative is to go to the magistrates to say this condition is difficult to enforce, so can you think of one that’s more reasonable? But to appeal at the magistrates costs £400, which is a deterrent.” There is absolutely no point appealing to magistrates who are, by and large, puppets of the system with very little understanding of the law. Nothing has bourne this more explicitly than this smokeban and the 'crimes' committed by smokers. After all how can it be called justice when a licensee, absent from the premises be fined for "allowing smoking to take place" yet a serial thief with 250 known offences to his name receives a CRASBO? This is simply a situation whereby any restriction or penalty can be imposed by those who are given any sort of power to rule. Why don't we simply incorporate pubs into library buildings as then everyone would know not to utter a sound? When will the first "banned from talking in this pub" sign go up on the wall. When will it become a crime "to enjoy oneself"? When will these 'legal halfwits' consider the livelyhoods of good honest folk above the whingeing, pathetic objection of one ne'er do well! This post replies to this thread |
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| Harry Barnett 15/08/2008 11:35:49 |
RE: Outside smoking banned at pub When the trade rolled over and meekly complied with this wrongful law it was just a matter of time before all sorts of restrictions were brought in.What other trade is told not to serve smokers? Are supermarkets told they are not allowed to serve fat people. And would they comply if they were told? The rest of Europeans licencees and restaurant owners cannot believe how weak the British licencees are. Recently a Spanish bar owner told me that it seems British landlords all want to be on the dole. It certainly seems that way. edited by: Harry Barnett at: 15/08/2008 11:37:52 This post replies to this thread |
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| Colin Sidney 21/08/2008 00:54:20 |
RE: Outside smoking banned at pub There's a strange malady in this country give council workers any kind of power and they turn into monsters,to say they turn into <stop>****</stop> is not too strong a word for these cretins, we have had a job worth in hexham northumberland tell market traders because some dim wit in an office complained about them calling their wares out as they have done for 800 years ,they must now only call out certain days of the week, but it must not be loud, only in this country, Andrew of course is right whats the difference between a football ground noise and the relatively small noise from a pub, iam sure that some people next to grounds hate it , but hey you moved next to these premises so don't complain This post replies to this thread |
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| Forum user 3958 21/08/2008 04:24:43 |
RE: Outside smoking banned at pub You've said it all guys - it's total PC madness!!! How the hell is a Landlord supposed to keep an eye on all his customers one of whom may go outside having a ciggy then coming back inside for a drink and having to refuse them? How is the Landlord a right to refuse sale of a legal product (a pint) to a person consuming a legal product (ciggy) on a public street? A Landlord needs a spy camera attached to every customer entering, leaving and then returning inside. It's beyond a joke. It's just insane. The Council has NO legal power to back up their trivial rule making. Can the MA get new legal advise forewith? Your lawyer needs his head screwing on if he can't see 200 legal issues and loop holes in this farce quite apart from being practically unenforceable and putting the Landlord in legal (and physical) danger for refusing a legal punter a legal product for no legal reason (just the whim of an ars*hole at the local Council - his advise has been consistently sh*t in the months I've been on MA! This post replies to Colin Sidney > RE: Outside smoking banned at pub |
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