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RE: Camra: 7,500 pubs will close by 2012

Get the booze back in the pub, cures all ills

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Camra: 7,500 pubs will close by 2012

Whatever you do, DON'T mention the Smoker Ban.

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Camra: 7,500 pubs will close by 2012

The main reason for the pub closures is the huge price differential between on and off trade. Reducing beer tax and VAT all sounds good on paper, but the reality is they will have little effect on the bar price.

Only the pubcos and breweries can address this issue effectively. The pubcos MUST give us tied tenants a much fairer price and the chance to win back some much needed custom. The breweries MUST stop supplying the supermarkets if they are going to sell their beers so cheaply.

We can never stop the multinationals selling Tesco or Asda slabs of Stella / Fosters etc at knock down prices – but what about our traditional British brewers? Too often I see Greene King, Marston’s, Fuller’s, Young’s and all the other usual suspects stacked on the supermarket shelves far cheaper than our tied trade price lists. (And we have to put our profit on top) It is these brewers who need to think about what they are doing to their own pubs. Their short term greed will be their downfall in the months/years to come.

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RE: Camra: 7,500 pubs will close by 2012

CAMRA shame on you- All licensees who see this for what it is cancel your membership now.

Not even a mention of the Pubco influence on pub closures - making it a little too obvious where your loyalties lie, me thinks. Supermarkets never sold cheap alcohol before (oh yes they did !) Never had economic crisis before (oh yes there was - erm - oil crisis in 73, 80's property crash, black monday oh yes and a couple of world wars still pubs survived) Never been tax on alcohol (oh yes there has) What on earth are you going on about get your heads out of the sand and look around or is it the Pubco's are using you for as a puppet, a bit of a publicity stunt after they were duffed over at the BEC inquiry by Fair Pint. I see now - the Pubco's Ugly sisters (THEY'RE BEHIND YOU !!)

Robin K Wright

FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE LIBATION LIBERATION FRONT

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This post replies to David Law > RE: Camra: 7,500 pubs will close by 2012

Camra: 7,500 pubs will close by 2012

This is a complicated situation altogether but it is simply not right to blame brewers for the price structure in the pub trade. The pubcos together have completely distorted the retail market for beer throught their own rapacious need for permanent growth, year on year. Their only source of increased revenue ie from tenants via rent and wholesale beer supply. Some brewers do have estates but they have followed the lead of pure pubcos and incrementally crept prices on supply upwards (as on rent) over the last two decades to increase their margins at the expense of publicans being able to sustain their own over the bar margins: as the pucos margins have increased, so tenants' margins have decreased. Put alongside this the fact that rents in the tied sector have increased faster than the rate of inflation and now are at least on par, if not greater than, with free of tie rents we have a situation where pubs are closing because their liabilities outstrip their income and most people place the blame on everything other than the freeholders who are the true culptrits: if rents and supply prices were sustainable everyone would be feeling the linch but fewer would be going out of business.

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