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The trade has won a landmark legal battle against the Phongraphic Performance Limited (PPL) that could save pubs millions of pounds in music licensing.
The British Beer and Pub Association (BBPA) and the British Hospitality Association (BHA) appealed against the decision of the Copyright Tribunal on the value of fees that have to be paid for background music.
The industry estimates that as a consequence of the fees increase implemented in January 2005, the average pub and restaurant has paid an additional £500-£600 over the last four years — a total of at least £12m.
PPL, which sets, administers and collects the fees had attempted to limit the Copyright Tribunal’s jurisdiction to broadcast music only and have a separate Tribunal for non-broadcast music.
However, Mr Justice Kitchen said this would be "inconvenient, cumbersome, expensive, and involve a waste of judicial and public resources". He also ruled it to be a misinterpretation of the law.
The court ruled that the Copyright
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Forum user 4548 21/11/2008 12:07:06  |
RE: Trade wins landmark music licence battle this is great news ive been a victim of their persistence bullying and its cost me thousands of pounds the ppl are a disgrace if there is anyone out there who would take my case on please write to me via e-mail i want to sue them This post replies to this thread |
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| Anthea Henderson 21/11/2008 14:11:19 |
RE: Trade wins landmark music licence battle Could they now do battle with the PRS (Performing Right Society) who take a rediculous amount of money from us for BOTH background music and live bands. We begrudge this payment every year and angry that their fees are causing a reduction in venues able to afford to put on live entertainment. Last year they charged us £764 when I asked for details as to how this money was used they were both reluctant and unable to give me that information. My guess is most of it goes in administration This post replies to this thread |
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| Mim Glenn 21/11/2008 18:06:49 |
RE: Trade wins landmark music licence battle It would also help if they amalgamated the two organisations into one, we would then only have to pay the administration fees for one organisation, as apposed to the two we are currently paying for! O'h sorry I forgot theey are collecting goes to the artists, composers and publishers. This post replies to this thread |
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J Mark Dodds 22/11/2008 17:49:38 |
Trade wins landmark music licence battle BBPA use this kind of thing to support the bogus assumptions there are outside the trade that they represent lessees. However it's useful that their well resourced lives allow them to tackle nonsense fee grabbing by outfits like PPL and PRS and another I discovered only yesterday who wrote "It has come to our attention that you are showing films without the necessary copyright licence" as if we're some kind of criminals. More money being taken from us for something we get no income on. A tax on the free advertising we give to musicians and film makers once we've paid for their music and films in the first place. NUTS. This post replies to this thread |
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| Harry Barnett 24/11/2008 12:36:49 |
RE: Trade wins landmark music licence battle At £764 you are getting off lightly. PRS CHARGE US £7500 AND PPL CHARGE US £3500! We have had a running battle with them for 2 years. When we challenged them on how they know what artists music we play and how can they distribute these fees they refused to give us this information. They then employed a slippery lawyer who ran up bills of some £150,000. Yes £150,000 taking us to the High Court for refusing to pay. They used a form that had been wrongly filled in to achieve this figure. This is yet another case where the licenced trade need to join together to fight these parasites who want you to work to get money for them. Untold £millions are collected by bully boy tactics every year from the licenced trade with no transparency whatsoever. Just for playing music that we have purchased but are not allowed to play to our customers. There are many cases where the royalties have already been paid to the artists eg Radio Broadcasts but you still have to pay this lot. The Lawyer who ran up the bills for us is now under investigation by the Solicitors Regularity Society due to our complaints.Perhaps this ruling will curtail them a bit and show just how much is passed to the artists involved. Al Capone and the Kray Twins protection rackets pale into insignifance when compared to this lot!! edited by: Harry Barnett at: 24/11/2008 12:38:04 This post replies to Anthea Henderson > RE: Trade wins landmark music licence battle |
