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Campaigners in London are fighting police calls for licensees to provide detailed information every time a live music event or other entertainment is staged.
The Metropolitan Police is asking hosts to complete forms for every promoted event, including names, ages and contact details of every promoter or performer.
Other details such as the music style and “target audience” are required. Licensees are also expected to complete an after-promotion “debrief”.
An early version of a document, known as Form 696, even asked for the expected ethnic background of punters — this was dropped over fears it could be seen as racial discrimination.
Police are working with 21 out of 32 London boroughs to use the forms, said deputy chief superintendent Richard Martin of the Met’s Clubs & Vice Unit.
He said they are voluntary but if a licence comes up for review, police ask for completion of them to be licence conditions.
The forms have been slated as a huge burden for licensees. More than 10,000
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WhiskeyGalore 13/01/2009 18:22:51  |
RE: Fight against pub music red-tape What??? Research if there will be any trouble???This country is obsessed with amassing private individuals details. How many police who could be on the beat will be doing this research? Every pub should have a gig on the same night with a 100 strong choir at each and every venue. Then all the real villians can run amok safe in the knowledge the police are on research duty. This post replies to this thread |
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J Mark Dodds 13/01/2009 18:33:06 |
RE: Fight against pub music red-tape Hear hear George. This post replies to WhiskeyGalore > RE: Fight against pub music red-tape |
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Geoffrey Sumner 14/01/2009 22:04:39 |
RE: Fight against pub music red-tape I thought it was the role of the premises licence holder to 'risk assess' his proposed events and take the necessary steps through his operating schedule to prevent crime and disorder. Are the Met Police now trying to 'assume' the role of premises licence holder, in which case if it goes wrong after they have been provided with the information, will they take responsibility???? I think not. This is simply an information gathering exercise, for what reason? This harps back to the old days when certain Licensing Justices imposed conditions on licences requiring licensees to give written notice of certain events to police at least 7/14 days prior to the event. What happened - most people simply failed to comply, and those that did the information was simply 'placed on file'. I bet if the forms are introduced that 99.9% of events this will be the case, which makes it a considerable waste of time and effort. A better idea would be for licence holders/DPS's to be able to notify the police of events that are 'likely' to pose a risk. Not enough to cancel the event but enough to cause concern and then the licensee can work in partnership with the police to 'manage' the security at the event...... Is that not the idea??? Geoff SUMNER ABII MIOL Licensing Consultant (Former Police Licensing Officer) edited by: Geoffrey Sumner at: 14/01/2009 22:05:13 This post replies to J Mark Dodds > RE: Fight against pub music red-tape |
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| info man 14/01/2009 22:42:16 |
RE: Fight against pub music red-tape Hi Geoffrey, I write in relation to your previous post "A better idea would be for licence holders/DPS's to be able to notify the police of events that are 'likely' to pose a risk. Not enough to cancel the event but enough to cause concern and then the licensee can work in partnership with the police to 'manage' the security at the event......" I my experience so called partnerships are non existant with the police, we have had three substancial thefts and have given details of the persons and where they are and they have not done a single thing. In relation to one case we had the guy on site and were told that the money he stole was a cival matter. The same has been the case with threats of violence to us and our staff where we have supplied details and nothing has been done. In my personal experience the police have not helped me as a publican in any way, the last time we saw them they caused the pub to empty soon after their random licensing visit as they would not let anyone in or out and did not even ask to speak to the personal licence holder. I thought the idea was to get them to do less paperwork but the nanny state is hard at work yet again. This post replies to Geoffrey Sumner > RE: Fight against pub music red-tape |
