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Members of Parliament aren’t flavour of the month at present and you’d think they would engage their brains before opening their mouths and uttering total nonsense.
And yet there was one MP, in a brief debate on the tie, telling the Commons that “the tied house system should have gone out with the Corn Laws”.
How about a little historical accuracy? The tied house system didn’t exist at the time of the Corn Laws. An act of 1815 cut back on the import of corn in an attempt to help British farmers and to restrict the manufacture of gin, which was cheap and causing social havoc; one sign outside a London gin shop declared “Drunk for a penny, dead drunk for twopence”.
The Beer Act of 1830 was introduced to counter what MPs at the time thought were two evils: cheap gin and the power of licensing magistrates to control the supply of liquor. MPs wanted to break the stranglehold of the magistrates and encourage the consumption of healthy beer rather than gut-rot gin.
The act allowed any ho
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Edward Compton 11/05/2009 22:57:37  |
If the tie goes, regionals suffer Ms Ward, I apologise if you find my old fashioned proclivities objectionable. It is not intended to be so. Indeed your point is that in the current market such arrangements are sustainable. In a future market where the tie does not exist, they will not, because the market power of the players will have seismically shifted. This post replies to Inez Ward > If the tie goes, regionals suffer |
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info man 11/05/2009 23:06:14 |
If the tie goes, regionals suffer Edward, can you demonstrate where this has happened in the wine market, spirit market or even minerals market? They are all tied too in many instances yet we have not seen the apocolypse you predict? edited by: info man at: 11/05/2009 23:06:29 This post replies to Edward Compton > If the tie goes, regionals suffer |
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| J Mark Dodds 11/05/2009 23:10:45 |
If the tie goes, regionals suffer Edward Compton. You posted yet another response lacking in depth or veracity... The almost Armageddon scenario you paint with a "new world order" is entertaining but is of your own making. When the tie goes, the tie goes. When it does it will happen with barely a whimper - just like the Beer Orders were the end of the world - because outside saloon doors, people get on with their lives. The tie will go, a tiny bunch of very rich people you evidently admire will move on to an early retirement or some other big money playground leaving real people to pick up the pieces and build a coherent pub industry for the first time in history - which is where positions like yours should be relegated. Bye bye Ted. edited by: J Mark Dodds at: 11/05/2009 23:10:53 This post replies to J Mark Dodds > If the tie goes, regionals suffer |
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| George Ian 11/05/2009 23:06:56 |
If the tie goes, regionals suffer Inez, Mark, Normally you speak a lot of sense - please don't get lost on numptyish trivialities - sorry to patronise (& I really don't mean to) - let's focus on the central debate and the main issues - carping is crap!! This post replies to this thread |
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| Edward Compton 11/05/2009 23:01:44 |
If the tie goes, regionals suffer Mr Dodds, Once again you dissappoint me by reducing yourself to playing the man rather than the ball. How comforting it must be to be of the opinion that those who disagree with you are 'dreadfully mis-informed'. You might consider it to be the case that having analysed the situation, the market and having some knowledge about about how business and markets operate across a range of sectors, I have come to a different conclusion. You disagree with my analysis. It doesn't make me wrong, or you right. This post replies to J Mark Dodds > If the tie goes, regionals suffer |
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| Inez Ward 11/05/2009 23:05:39 |
If the tie goes, regionals suffer Mr Compton, my sincerest apologies if I cause any offense as that is cetainly not my intentions, however I will revert you to my last post. Tenants own buying group, same power, same holding without pubco assistance. You are correct I do find your proclivities objectionable for the simple reason that I have asked you nicely not to and have introduced myself as requested. Therefore I suggest that you are displaying ignorance and plain old fashioned bad manners. This post replies to Edward Compton > If the tie goes, regionals suffer |
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| Inez Ward 11/05/2009 23:15:15 |
If the tie goes, regionals suffer George, my apologies, you are of course quite correct. This post replies to George Ian > If the tie goes, regionals suffer |
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| J Mark Dodds 11/05/2009 23:26:59 |
If the tie goes, regionals suffer Edward. Thank you for being disappointed. Particularly since you have not analysed anything except to polish up your already buffed up prejudices. edited by: J Mark Dodds at: 11/05/2009 23:27:19 This post replies to Edward Compton > If the tie goes, regionals suffer |
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| Edward Compton 11/05/2009 23:20:28 |
If the tie goes, regionals suffer Ms Ward, I can assure you you don't offend me in the slightest. My old fashioned manners merely dictate that a personal introduction is the route to first name communication. Your proposition that so many individual businesses could operate in such a co-operative way is interesting. I think you might find there is a problem with competition law in this area (collusion). However, even if that were not that case, there is a quite a neat model within economic game theory called 'the prisoners dilemna', which would ensure such a model would be unsustainable, particularly in the face of the selling power of large suppliers. This post replies to Inez Ward > If the tie goes, regionals suffer |
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| Inez Ward 11/05/2009 23:33:42 |
If the tie goes, regionals suffer Mr Compton I think it perhaps best if we agree to disagree on this point. I will willingly agree to a personal introduction. If there would be a problem with competition law, in respect to tenants forming a buying group from the same pubco, then why is not a problem in competition laws for the pubcos? This post replies to Edward Compton > If the tie goes, regionals suffer |
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