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A new cross-party campaign has called for changes to the smoking ban to help save pubs and clubs.
The aim of the Save Our Pubs & Clubs campaign, launched today at Westminster, is to force an amendment to to allow pubs to have a ventilated smoking room when legislation comes up for review in 2010.
It plans to set up a network of regional groups throughout the country to lobby politicians and raise awareness of the impact the ban has had on the pub trade.
The campaign has already received high profile backing from Anthony Worrall Thompson, patron of the smokers’ group Forest.
"The smoking ban has had an extraordinarily detrimental effect on pubs and clubs and you can understand why," he said.
"They used to be bastions of adult entertainment where young and old could meet and chat over a pint without the health police looking over their shoulders. Modern ventilation systems combined with separate rooms make it perfectly acceptable to smoke indoors.
"The legislation as it stands i
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Alastair Elliott 25/06/2009 09:10:06  |
RE: Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign 'Eddie If you haven't been to the pub for 23 months and 24 days what are you doing on a pub industry forum?' Alan are you not being just a little hypocritical, you only ever appear when smoking is mentioned, if I remember correctly didn't you 'stalk' Bob Feal-Martinez, where ever he posted as F2C Chairman, perhaps it is you who is an ASH plant. This post replies to this thread |
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Forum user 4031 25/06/2009 14:40:18 |
RE: Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign amazing still bloody arguing. Fact the smoking ban is closing pubs if thats not so why are you so worried that a smoking bar is going to take all your trade and close yours. Others let me worry about my staff they have more risk confronting the smoker in MY bar than from the smoke he is exhaling. That may not be so in your bar but it is in mine in a combined 25 years of running community drinking pubs not one member of my staff or myself have been injured. And before anyone says call for police backup the pub is in Warwickshire This post replies to Richard Yates > RE: Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign |
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| Edward Smith 25/06/2009 15:59:35 |
RE: Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign Jesus, all this crap because I wrote on an internet notice board? OK, I'll answer 2 of the replies. "If you haven't been to the pub for 23 months and 24 days what are you doing on a pub industry forum? Did you just wander in, or are you a tobacco lobbyist? It's hard to know who to trust these days." No, I didn't "just wander in" I found this site on Yahoo, is that illegal or something? Aren't brickies allowed on here? If that's the case maybe you should all have passwords to get into this site. "I am just wondering in your opinion, one who has not been in a pub for nearly 2 years ( I am sure you local landlord is grateful of your loyalty by the way ) would be your solution." The truth is, we have been twice to pubs, once got thrown out for making too much noise, shouting at the TV during a football game. This noise was waking up the "children" who were sleeping in the bar. Unreal. The other pub we went to was more like a MacDonalds than a pub, full of screaming kids. By the way, why the hell should our local landlord deserve any loyalty at all? As the smoking ban was coming in, he told us that he was pleased, and said that loads of non-smokers were going to replace us (his locals) this would mean that he wouldn't have to decorate so much (when he'd got rid of us that is) and save a fortune. Well, he don't have to do much decorating now, the pub has closed. I repeat, just incase no-one (you landlords with your special permission to read this stuff) is listening. We will not return to any pubs until this ban has gone. By the way I don't smoke but some of the lads do, none of us likes standing outside and none of us likes pubs that are full of kids. When you make a stand and get rid of this ban, we'll be back spending money. Eddie This post replies to Alastair Elliott > RE: Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign |
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| Forum user 4037 28/06/2009 17:34:51 |
RE: Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign Hi Eddie We're not going back to any pubs either. Landlords, when are you going to get your act together and make a united stand against the smoking ban? The ban is the only reason your pubs are closing, get rid of it and you'll be in profit again. You only have to look at the woman from Barnsley (the one with the smoking survey) her trade went up 800% when she ignored the ban. How come you all aren't ignoring it? If the government told me to ignore 25% of the population in my job I would absolutely ignore them, not just roll over and do as I was told. What's happened to the British Bulldog Spirit? Eddie and his crew of drinkers, me and mine, we are not alone Britain is filled with people who all think the same way. Make a stand and get rid of this dumb arsed ban. edited by: Admin at: 06/07/2009 12:36:41 This post replies to Edward Smith > RE: Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign |
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| kevin o'connor 28/06/2009 19:02:22 |
Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign Edward Smith & 4037 not names I am familiar with when some of us were fighting against the ban. Don't remember too many smokers fighting the fight. Easy for you to say we should break the law when you have nothing to lose. So carry on punishing pubs for something out of their control. And yes both my wife and I smoke and we go outside just like our customers have to This post replies to this thread |
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| Edward Smith 28/06/2009 22:58:01 |
Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign So Kevin You expect to run the pub, and take the profits, but expect your drinkers to do your fighting? I never said I was punishing pubs, I said I, and my mates, will not visit any pubs whilst this smoking ban is on. If you want your pub to be profitable again do something about getting rid of the ban, then you'll find it full of punters again. It's your job to do the fighting, not your drinkers. If all the pub owners, who don't want the ban, stood together and ignored it the Government would not be able to do anything at all. I reckon 4037 is right. This post replies to kevin o'connor > Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign |
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| kevin o'connor 29/06/2009 00:26:03 |
Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign Yes you are punishing pubs, smokers never stood up and be counted. Our pub is making money and our turnover is about 25% up. You and your kind want us to take the flak and moan about it, total waste of space, not proper pub drinkers at all, just winging bunch of girls. Who is 4037? edited by: Admin at: 06/07/2009 12:34:41 This post replies to Edward Smith > Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign |
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| Edward Smith 29/06/2009 17:30:30 |
Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign No, we're not punishing pubs. Why should drinkers "stand up and be counted" That's your (the landlords) job, if you want regulars YOU should look after them not the other way around. Me and my kind? What "kind" would that be? Locals? Drinkers? Adults? Not proper pub drinkers? If by that you mean pay pub prices and have to stand out in the pissing down rain for a fag, then no, we're not. But, if you mean people who are quite happy to pay pub prices if, and it is a big if, we can drink AND smoke in the pub then yes, we are proper drinkers. Just to repeat my original comment. IF YOU WANT YOUR PUB TO BE PROFITABLE GET RID OF THE SCREAMING KIDS AND STAND AGAINST THE SMOKING BAN. Who is 4037? How should I Know that? Do you think I'm his Mum? Just because I agree with someone doesn't make me his life-long mate you know. Tell you what mate, you and your mrs piss off outside for a fag, we're watching a big screen tonight AND smoking whilst drinking, what's up? Jealous? edited by: Admin at: 06/07/2009 12:28:13 This post replies to kevin o'connor > Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign |
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| info man 29/06/2009 17:48:37 |
Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign How very helpful Edward, are you not aware that thousands of publicans have written to the government to get this overturned but it will not happen. I dont know if you are aware but the same publicans who tried to stand up for the punters lost the battle and had to invest heavily in new solutions monitored by their local councils. The publican lost out twice, firstly on customers and then financially by creating smoking solutions which no one uses. Any pub full of screaming kids wouldnt get my custom either but a good landlord would be able to monitor and deal with this. By the way i dont know if you are aware but publicans are not actually making minimum wage due to the beer tie and the ban, they are fighting against every corner- utility increases, red tape, cost increases, rent and beer increases, duty...the list goes on. Landlords are trying to get more customers in via all means including food, sport, entertainment etc but this is near on impossible if you dont get the backing of your customers. The ban is here, we couldnt stop it and cant change it so what do you want us to do? Did you stop using or going to/on trains when the smoking ban came in? planes?, airports?, cinemas?, football matches?, restaurants? This post replies to Edward Smith > Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign |
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| J Mark Dodds 29/06/2009 22:19:40 |
Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign Kevin! Some of this thread has an air of surreality about it. Whoosh! This post replies to kevin o'connor > Amend smoking ban, save pubs — says new campaign |
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