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John Pryor
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I've just come off the phone from someone at the Performing Rights Society, checking my details for the next twelve months of legalised robbery. I mostly play a radio in my small bar - I bet the BBC pay a fortune in royalties to transmit the music, and I always have a real problem understanding why we should pay as well to listen to it.
Today, however, I start getting grilled about how many letting bedrooms I have, how many weeks they are available for and so on. I called a halt to the questions and asked why she wanted to know - I've never been asked before. It seems that there has been a recent case where the courts have found in favour of the PRS in having the right to charge for TVs in bedrooms, and can I please cough up another three hundred quid!
Has anyone else been asked, or should I just think myself lucky not to have been asked before?
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Forum user 4678 26/01/2010 16:13:18 |
Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! As an ex hotel manager turned publican I can tell you that for some time the British Hospitality Assoc has been in conflict with the PRS about charging for hotel room radios or TV. When PRS called for an update and they asked about the number of rooms you simply had to say that you where a member of the BHA and supported thier dispute and there was no charge made. The BHA have now come to an agreement with the PRS which means they are able to charge. I do not know the detail but do know that the agreement means you will have to cough up. My tip when the PRS call is to explain that you are unable to discuss the matter now and either arrange a call back - or indeed call them but make sure you have last years account / receipt which details square footage of each area number of Discos etc. With this information infront of you you are less likely to make a mistake that may cost you. Beware of the question relating to whether your pub is food led or wet led. Restaurants are charged at a higher rate and if they think you have a seperate restaurant on the pub then the charges rise. Hope this helps. This post replies to this thread |
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| John Pryor 28/01/2010 13:41:55 |
Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! Thanks - all your points duly noticed, especially the bit about having last year's information to hand. This post replies to Forum user 4678 > Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! |
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| Peter Eveleigh 30/01/2010 12:29:01 |
Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! The other point to remember about last year is that it was an estimate of your predicted use of live music for the upcoming year, which needs to be confirmed when this year's estimate is assessed. Whilst more applicable to live music events, credit adjustments should be made for bands playing their own original music particularly if they are non PRS members - and of course your incidental music played at such events is promo CDs etc from future artists who also play their own original (non PRS chargable) music. This post replies to John Pryor > Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! |
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Gilbert Bank 07/02/2010 23:29:57 |
Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! I hate PRS. Why can't I choose the days I want to pay for using music? For example I could do without paying for sunday to wednesday. So I use PRS music for three days. I should only pay 3/7. If you pay for live music on a per use basis it should be the same for recorded. This post replies to this thread |
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| J Mark Dodds 07/02/2010 23:51:26 |
Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! Q a bug in the machine double post edited by: J Mark Dodds at: 07/02/2010 23:51:52 This post replies to Gilbert Bank > Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! |
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| J Mark Dodds 07/02/2010 23:52:38 |
Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! It's a shame that we cannot use the English language at its florid best on a public forum such as this. Quite frankly PRS is a total pisstake. Essentially it's a tax placed on people who spend a lot of energy and money on promoting music. These are people who help make the music business go round - and they are treated like aphids being farmed by ants for their efforts. It's nonsensical - you're already PAYING performers to perform and you have to pay a tax on their performance why? - in case you're exploiting them? Or some other gobbledigook reason. And if you've just got the radio on? What the hell is THAT all about? Come to think of it have YOU ever met a musician who gets money from PRS? I wonder how much PRS executives pay themselves for policing all those fees? All the above does, of course, also apply to PPL which in some ways though barely possible has even more silly reasons for its existence. edited by: J Mark Dodds at: 07/02/2010 23:53:18 This post replies to Gilbert Bank > Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! |
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| George Baker 07/02/2010 23:56:58 |
Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! And, on the assumption that SOME money is distributed to the writers and/or performers of copyrighted music, does anyone know HOW an artist's share of the collected fees is determined? This post replies to J Mark Dodds > Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! |
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| J Mark Dodds 09/02/2010 18:30:16 |
Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! Interesting - the same thoughts have crossed my mind many times but I've never had them satisfied. And never tried to find out through contacting PRS or PPL. I've known a couple of musicians who have received regular payments from PRS but but they were as vague about how it was doled out as anyone else. This post replies to George Baker > Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! |
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| Ex Sapper 10/02/2010 16:26:45 |
Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! I've had a PRS representative turn up on a couple of saturday nights, complete with clipboard, when they know i have a DJ playing. He records the tracks played in order to get an idea of what artists we are playing. Cue me and the DJ deciding to play a bizarre set list to ensure bands we like benefit. I'll be seeing one of the bands we played to death on one of those nights in the near future, i may have to ask what they are receiving from the people who are allegedly representing their interests. This post replies to this thread |
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| Graham Allman 27/02/2010 09:23:57 |
Preforming RIghts - up to their tricks again! My old matey KN had a great idea some years ago which he posted here. Inform PRS and PPL that entry to your pub for their employees and agents carries an entry fee of say £500. So when they visit just invoice them or if they take you to court for breaches and state they visited on such and such a date then again invoice them. Should keep your costs down. edited by: Graham Allman at: 27/02/2010 09:25:51 This post replies to this thread |
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