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I agree with john, I  always look after my draymen and trust them implicitly, full english for the two of them next Wednesday morning, (well the regular ones anyway) some of the one's I had over the xmas period,  agency staff didn't have a clue about anything and obviously were a danger to themselves and hadn't really had any on the job training! These big logistic firms DHL, KOONE & NAGEL,ETC! want to get real, these lads dont deliver letters or parcels, they deliver 20 odd stone items from up a hight  and it's bloody dangerous. I'd like to see some of their overpaid bosses do, what they do, there was once a training day at my pub a few years ago and there was some managers along to (watch i think) train in the basics, they didn't know thier behinds from their elbows, the regular lads couldnt stop laughing all day long, it was like the three stooges on a bad day!  My point is these people and so called managers who send out untrained and dangerous staff and cut costs to the bare minimum, at the expense of safety and probably long term health of its  employees, cant even do the job, they are in my eyes the MUPPETS and I hope that if anyone including the general public got injured or seriously hurt through these muppets, i hope the full force of the law will come down on them. remember the items that the dray delivers arn't letters or parcels they are bloody heavy!! rant over, kenny  

Are we all missing the point of this article? It just seems a good excuse to rant on about all the negatives in the pub/brewing industry at the minute! what i read in the article is 1. opposing further expansion of one man deliveries. (what if one man has an accident delivering to your pub, what would you do?) 2. recognising dangers and eliminating them. (why should anybody work in a dangerous enviroment if most of them could easily be eliminated) 3. not stacking containers over 11g on back of vehicles. (i assume they mean full ones, 22g and 36g containers are bloody heavy how are you supposed to get these down safely, they would be over 12ft in the air) 4. removing of partially full containers out of cellars over 11g. ( why cant the container be emptied if you have a sump, the old tech services guys used to do it and you got your credit back a hell of a lot quicker then, rather than waiting for the dray to pick it up and get processed through the system) 5.medical checks for distribution workers. (why not) 6.induction training. (if they were trained longer and more intense you would get a better,safer more accomplished draymen like yesteryear instead of 'the muppets' that ken wrote about) The article and demands of the union don't seem unreasonable to me, it is 2008, pherhaps jane and her cronies would have children working in dickensian workhouses? and wouldnt be happy untill the mortality rate of working men and women came down to about 35 years old then throw them on the scrapheap. If jane's beer sales are down that doesn't surprise me as her attitude probably scares all her customers away and probably her draymen, does she ride a broomstick?surely she had induction training to learn how to do that? maybe she should 'recognise the dangers of riding a broomstick and try to eliminate them' i would hate to see her fall off. GIVE THE LADS A FAIR DEAL SEEMS TO ME ALL THEY WANT IS A SAFER WORKING