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Robert Feal-Martinez 24/05/2007 12:15:08 |
RE: High Court test for smoking ban As we at F2C predicted there would a be challenges, this is probably one of many. This post replies to this thread |
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Colin Grainger 24/05/2007 12:24:43 |
RE: High Court test for smoking ban How can anyone NOT agree with this man? The hospital is his home. He must have the freedom to choose whether he smokes in his home or not, just like all other smokers. Without state interference. Without busybodies getting involved.
My only question is: how is this man paying for his Judicial Review? If it is being funded by the taxpayers I will rejoice. Its about time our own money was not used to batter us senseless by vindictive anti-smokers. Its about time we saw some balance in this fiasco.
Best wishes to the gentleman. I hope he succeeds.
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Caroline Freeman 24/05/2007 13:19:43 |
RE: High Court test for smoking ban Banning smoking in psychiatric settings has to be one of the most vile abuses possible. For anyone familiar with these settings, you'll more than understand the reasons why. For those who aren't, imagine that you are suffering from extreme mental distress and confusion, that you have been taken to a strange place and deprived of all your liberties with no immediate right to appeal, yet you've neither commited or been suspected of committing a crime. Imagine that you receive little or nothing in the way of caring attention, that there is no structure to your days, no activities to occupy your time or thoughts, just hour upon hour of extreme boredom, confusion and fear. Not to forget, also, that psych wards are often a tinderbox where the slightest frustration can ignite conflict or relapse. What harm can there possibly be in allowing patients the comfort of a cigarette in a separate smoking room? Are Rampton suggesting that patients' lungs are more important than their mental health, or that psychiatric workers need, or even want, protecting from a little SHS at the expense of the wellbeing & dignity of their patients? This post replies to this thread |
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| Alastair Elliott 24/05/2007 13:47:24 |
RE: High Court test for smoking ban I feel biterly sorry for this man A BIG Good Luck to him. This post replies to this thread |
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| Gilbert Bank 24/05/2007 14:43:36 |
RE: High Court test for smoking ban What tosh. Ian Huntley and Beverley Allitt are two other Ramptonites. Perhaps we should organise a fund to keep them in Woodbines? Smoking is not a right. This post replies to Alastair Elliott > RE: High Court test for smoking ban |
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| John Dwyer 24/05/2007 14:57:02 |
RE: High Court test for smoking ban The Health Act 2006 already caters for such persons:
3 Smoke-free premises: exemptions
(1) The appropriate national authority may make regulations providing for specified descriptions of premises, or specified areas within specified descriptions of premises, not to be smoke-free despite section 2.
(2) Descriptions of premises which may be specified under subsection (1) include, in particular, any premises where a person has his home, or is living whether permanently or temporarily (including hotels, care homes, and prisons and other places where a person may be detained).
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| Colin Grainger 24/05/2007 15:29:19 |
RE: High Court test for smoking ban More ignorance from Great-Grandad Gilbert Hang-em Flog-em Torture-em Bank. What an absolutely spiffing human being you are. To hell with the 99% of mental patients who have committed no crime, done no wrong, lets just punish them because we have a few criminals in there as well. Thoughtlessness seems to be your modus operandi. Not smoking is not a right either, in exactly the same way that smoking is not. You have no right to "clean" air either. If you did, HMG would have an obligation to end industrialisation immediately, cease all aircraft from taking off and stopping foreign airlines from using our airspace, and remove all vehicles from our roads, and all aerosols (almost without exception) would have to be withdrawn. Just for your elucidation and education, I want you to imagine that all the worlds pollution is a blank sheet of A4 paper. Now, to represent the second hand smoke, we put a black dot on this piece of white paper. In order to even see the SHS we would need an electron microscope . Perspective, Gilbert, get some perspective.
Like all anti-smokers you concentrate on the flea, and ignore the elephant in your sitting room.
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| Caroline Freeman 24/05/2007 15:44:28 |
RE: High Court test for smoking ban The exemptions certainly do apply to Rampton, so Rampton must have chosen its own smoking ban, presumably for its own Nurse Ratchett reasons. 70% of psychiatric patients smoke & the average stay at Rampton is 8 years. Most outside areas are off limits due to staffing issues and security. Can anyone tell me why this is not an abuse of human rights, when convicted criminals, rather than the mentally ill, are to be given the choice of smoking or non-smoking cells? 90% of mental health nurses do not want smoking bans on wards. In the words of one nurse: "Forcibly denying patients access to smoking will ... just serve to alienate then from the services designed to help them." This post replies to John Dwyer > RE: High Court test for smoking ban |
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| Robert Feal-Martinez 24/05/2007 17:45:14 |
RE: High Court test for smoking ban JD you are right about what you say however the regulations now say mental institutions will only be allowed the exemption until July 1st 2008. This came as quite a surprise to F2C and our lawyers as we had all assumed the exemption was not time restricted. Caroline is also right about the numbers in a Psychiatric Morbidity Study by Meltzer etal they found the following for inpatients: Schizophrenea 74% Affective Psychosis 70% Neurotic Disorder 74% I also find it quite bizarre that there should be a reference to Huntley. He is there because he has been deemed to be mentally ill. Whether or not that is the right decision is a matter for others, however that doesn't alter his mentally ill status, leaving him in exactly the same position as others. This post replies to Caroline Freeman > RE: High Court test for smoking ban |
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| Bill Gibson 24/05/2007 18:52:53 |
RE: High Court test for smoking ban In Scotland, ventilated Designated Smoking Rooms are provided
And to remind you all http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/news/press_releases/only_one_in_ten.html This post replies to this thread |
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