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Robert Feal-Martinez 22/11/2006 10:21:42 |
RE: Jersey approves smoking ban It is clear when it comes to smoking bans Politicians brains are even more less effective than normal. Having seen how it's devistated tourism and leisure in Guernsey they still go ahead. So it's not just Mainland Britain that's ruled by morons. www.freedom2choose.co.uk This post replies to this thread |
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Albert Crumb 22/11/2006 10:51:56 |
RE: Jersey approves smoking ban There are some great beaches on Jersey Robert. And at this time of the year they are fairly quiet. Why not take your deckchair, plonk yourself down in front of the rising tide and see if you can persuade it to stay out? This post replies to Robert Feal-Martinez > RE: Jersey approves smoking ban |
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William McClymont 22/11/2006 14:16:09 |
RE: Jersey approves smoking ban There are some great beaches on Jersey Robert. And at this time of the year they are fairly quiet. Why not take your deckchair, plonk yourself down in front of the rising tide and see if you can persuade it to stay out? Why don't you stop trying to get a rise out of people and contribute something to the debate. Being a belligerent and rude buffoon serves no-one, except perhaps for your ego. Why don't you leave your mums' basement and head outside for a while? I would suggest doing something with a friend but, speaking from past experience from other message boards, by the time you get to trolling on the net, your friends have long since gone.
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| Robert Feal-Martinez 22/11/2006 16:20:55 |
RE: Jersey approves smoking ban Yet again the Alberts fail to read, or perhaps read and not understand. Freedom to Choose is not about over turning the smoking ban, we are not pro smoking, we are pro choice we can show conclusively with the scientific data to support our claims, that firstly Passive Smoking/ETS is an invention of the anti smoker lobby, and secondly if it had a modicum of truth ETS could be removed by modern ventilation/filtration systems. So the Alberts could have their air free of all those nasty smells, and still welcome those who smoke who spend on average 20 times that which non smokers spend. I think William is right, this forum until The Alberts arrival was about constructive debate. For the Alberts to be resurrected by ASH clearly indicates that they themselves believe it's not all over. This post replies to Albert Crumb > RE: Jersey approves smoking ban |
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| John Ellis 22/11/2006 18:18:52 |
RE: Jersey approves smoking ban I don't know any of the participants in this thread of debate but would request that, as this is a licencees' website, run by a licensees' newspaper, that it be left to licensees to comment. Non-licensees are able to comment in thousands of other ways (and do!). It might help if we list our pub names with our own names, thereby showing our true colours!!
John Ellis Crown Inn, Oakengates This post replies to this thread |
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| Graham Allman 22/11/2006 18:37:18 |
RE: Jersey approves smoking ban Me thinks that it is time to call an end to this personal banter aimed at each other and respect others point of view and offer facts or experiance to enhanse sensible debaite . MA it would be a good idea for posters to have to declaire their true profile which should avoid all this unpleasantness and enable other posters to measure the worth of the individual poster by their background and experiance just as John suggests.
Graham Allman Managing Director GA-SELECT This post replies to this thread |
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| Ken Nason 22/11/2006 19:59:51 |
RE: Jersey approves smoking ban As stated in another posting, Alberts one aim is to rile and derail any meaningful debate on this subject. Posters on the Publican should have learned this and realise that this rising and personalising of debates by this method is a form of terrorism designed purely to stifle freedom of speech.
It is used to destroy YOUR forum and as such not allow any other ideas to be expressed other than those held by the terrorist. One of the reasons the Publican forum was closed was just this. Forcing you into a personal slanging match.
DO NOT RISE TO IT.........IGNORE THE LIKES OF ALBERT. Without arguement or reaction their comments are shown up for what they are, inflamatory.
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| Julia Kilminster-Biggs 22/11/2006 20:03:55 |
RE: Jersey approves smoking ban Graham I agree that personal comments and diatribes are unnecessary and simply reinforce stereotypes. I am not from the industry but I am a bonafide NHS employee who helps people give up smoking! I personally cannot wait to go into a pub and not have to put up with smoky atmospheres and I know my clients also are looking forward to not being in an atmosphere that really does test their commitment to ditching the weed. However, I agree that everyone can think whatever they want about the forthcoming ban. Personally I cannot wait as I sing in pubs regularly and love pub ambience (not particularly atmospheres)! Julia Kilminster-Biggs
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| Albert Crumb 22/11/2006 23:36:52 |
RE: Jersey approves smoking ban Albert too is bonafide. He does not run a pub but he does own two licensed restaurants, one on the outskirts of Carlisle and the other near Newcastle. They have been non-smoking venues for years of course and whilst one fully appreciates that the impact of a smoking ban on a dry led business is considerably less than on wet led outlets, Albert and very many like him do not believe that this should overide the imperative of the smoking ban. There is surely nothing unreasonable about that. It may not be a view others share of course and they are perfectly entitled to that opinion. But to suggest that because Albert doesn't run a pub, he shouldn't contribute to the MA is somewhat fatuous*. Apart from the smoke Albert adores pubs and he is one of countless folk who, just like Julia, can't wait for next summer. *Thank you Iain for your reassurance in another place.
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| Robert Feal-Martinez 23/11/2006 07:24:11 |
RE: Jersey approves smoking ban Whilst England the Mother of all Democracy chooses the draconian approach other European States still acknowledge the rights of all and Freedom to Choose. They are to impose a partial ban using common sense and logic. The details are; You may still smoke at work if you have your own office. You may still smoke in rooms that are earmarked for smoking. You may still smoke at your workplace if it's part of your home, however if you are a child minder you'll have to wait until the children have left. You may still smoke in bars and restaurants if the room you're in is smaller than 40 square metres. (this one appears to be linked to ventilation/filtration although the source doesn't say). The law will take effect on April 1st. 2007 So despite the continual claims to the contrary Europe as a whole does not have total smoking bans, they respect the rights and wishes of all citizens which is the corner stone of any democracy, which is all we at Freedom to Choose want. www.freedom2choose.co.uk . This post replies to Albert Crumb > RE: Jersey approves smoking ban |
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