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Ken Nason 09/06/2008 09:02:14 |
RE: Pub visits drop after smoke ban Well well another esteemed company come up with what the trade has been saying for over a year. The smoking ban has lost trade for licensees. Hey I've got a good ideal. Why don't people who want to know what's going on in the trade ask the licensees. They would then get accurate answers and not have to wait twelve months for the answer. And oh by the way the prediction of tough times ahead is totally inaccurate as the tough times are here now. Ask any licensee.
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Mark Williams 09/06/2008 09:52:17 |
RE: Pub visits drop after smoke ban "One in five people visit pubs less frequently than they thought they would due to the smoking ban." Does this mean 4 out of 5 visit more frequently? Anyone for some statistical spin! This post replies to this thread |
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| J Mark Dodds 09/06/2008 10:21:41 |
RE: Pub visits drop after smoke ban Nice one Mark. People get paid a LOT of money to come out with these analyses that keep us all on our commercial toes. Consultants never leap to conclusions, they always work on measurable facts, and it's comforting that Deloitte are so on the ball with their assessments of the market based on a survey of 987 people across the country rather than just relying on one licensee asked at random to get as precise a viewpoint. No, that would not have been cricket. Has anyone forgotten McKinsey & Co? The consultants responsible for changing the face of Britain in the sixties and seventies? This post replies to this thread |
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| Richard Ley 09/06/2008 11:30:40 |
RE: Pub visits drop after smoke ban Ahhhhhh.
State the bleedin' obvious......
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| Ken Nason 09/06/2008 13:28:21 |
RE: Pub visits drop after smoke ban No Mark it means that only 1 in 5 visit less frequently. Any other inference is incorrect. the other 4 could visit the same, more frequently or not at all as they always have done. Until these other four are accounted for the results are meaningless and out of context by being cherry picked.
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| Phil Johnson 09/06/2008 14:22:51 |
RE: Pub visits drop after smoke ban Exclude 15,000,000 smokers and you need a high profile company to do a poll to tell you that which is blatantly obvious! dear oh dear. This post replies to this thread |
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| Steve Hartwell 09/06/2008 16:31:05 |
RE: Pub visits drop after smoke ban from -- steve hartwell, toronto, canada ---- 2001-2002 I used to possess the domain registration for Smokers.com, and called myself Mr. Smokers. I don't possess that domain anymore, having lost it in a poker game shortly after. Butt before I lost the domain, I contacted 100s and 100s of Pub owners by email thruout the UK and Ireland to warn them all of what was going to happen, and that they needed to begin right then to fight anti-smoking lies with the truth about Second Hand Tobacco Smoke, that SHS is NOT a Statistically Significant Health Risk to other people. I warned them that they would wake up one day soon to a 100 % smoking ban and not know what hit them, and, people would stop coming to their pubs, and they would go bankrupt and lose everything. -- Every single one told me I was nuts, that it could never happen to their 1,000 year old Pub Culture Industry. And, later as FORCES Toronto, SmokersRightsCanada.org, VentilatedSmokingRooms.ca, AND even recently as TobaccoSmokersOfCanada.ca I still tried to get you all to listen to fight for a compromise solution with the truth about SHS, butt you didn't listent, and it's too late now -- It's all happened, is happening, is just going to get a lot worse, not just a 200 % smoking ban based on Junk Science lies falsely claiming SHS kills children, not just making Tobacco Illegal and turning Smokers officially in to Criminals, locked up, forced in to 'harm reduction camps' and ghettos, refused employment and medical care, etc, even shot and stabbed on sight, butt, the anti-smoking campaign is being used as a template to go after a whole lot of other 'targets', -- all because you threw away your last chance to stop it. I told you so, you didn't listen, it's Orwell '84 time, and now you are all getting what you deserve. - f.y. all to h. This post replies to this thread |
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| J Mark Dodds 09/06/2008 16:35:13 |
RE: Pub visits drop after smoke ban Keep it up Steve. This post replies to Steve Hartwell > RE: Pub visits drop after smoke ban |
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| John Ellis 09/06/2008 17:47:51 |
RE: Pub visits drop after smoke ban What's the betting that these 1 in 5 visiting less than they expected to are the non-smokers we were all promised!!? John Ellis Crown Inn, Oakengates This post replies to this thread |
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| julie staveley 09/06/2008 20:34:34 |
Pub visits drop after smoke ban May I just explain my Daughter works for a Pool Table Company her job involving going to many pubs over a large area to collect rents. I go with her for two reasons one for company and two to help her so I know from the Landlords themselves what is happening since the ‘Do Gooders’ decided to stop smoking in pubs. Let me elaborate: (Trade has dropped to an unprecedented low in the majority of pubs (good food pubs excepted) and many are closing down with Managers handing their keys back to the Breweries equals job losses. Those still in business say their takings are down by as much as a half which means of course they do not employ so many staff yet again more job losses. Smokers are now drinking in garden structures which have to have two sides open consequently it becomes very cold) Atmosphere in the pubs is badly affected. Heaters in these temporary houses are not helping the ozone layer as reported by the Green Party. Fruit and game machines not being played as half the customers are outside - I know of one Company already in liquidation yet more and more job losses . Cigarette Machine Companies not bothering to put cigarettes in public houses as their sales have also dropped more job losses. Smokers in town pubs with no gardens congregating on the pavements drinking and smoking are very intimidating for people trying to get by. Now so many people are drinking outside the noise for the local residents can be intolerable. My Son said “I should be allowed to go into a smoke free atmosphere in a pub” - my reply was “how often do you use a pub”. You see the bread and butter trade is the working man on his way home stopping for a couple of pints and a smoke and a Friday or Saturday night out with his mates and even the lonely old men who like a smoke, drink and a chat. At least now the smell of smoke has gone you can enjoy the smells of stale beer, body odour and the aromas from the toilets , much better !!! Why could not pubs chose to This post replies to this thread |
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